Coffeehouse Thread

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    vesuvius

    One of the things about living "in the ghetto", is the overcrowding, and the fact that you have no privacy. Look at this announcement from Microsoft;

    As part of our ongoing commitment to respecting your privacy, we won't use your documents, photos or other personal files or what you say in email, chat, video calls or voice mail to target advertising to you.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/microsoft-services-agreement

    Can you remind us all why Google and Facebook are good again?

     

     

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    fanbaby

    Come back to me on that in a few years...

    The age of s/w licensing is over, even if you (and many many more like you) are more then happy to pay msft for software.

    Google is great, not because of gmail, chrome, maps, and android, but because of Summer of Code, V8, ASOP, Chromium, Go, and the fact that it's the new Bell labs.

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    kettch

    @fanbaby: I don't get it. I need to feed my family. Currently, I make money writing software. How am I supposed to make any money if I can't sell licenses to my software?

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    ScanIAm

    , kettch wrote

    @fanbaby: I don't get it. I need to feed my family. Currently, I make money writing software. How am I supposed to make any money if I can't sell licenses to my software?

    You lose money on the individual licenses, but you make it up in volume...

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    Bass

    , kettch wrote

    @fanbaby: I don't get it. I need to feed my family. Currently, I make money writing software. How am I supposed to make any money if I can't sell licenses to my software?

    Lots of software developers make money from revenue sources that can probably trace themselves in some way to scientific, military or otherwise government funding. I mean, federal, state, local governments are all HUGE sponsors of the field of computer science, in the sense that I can't name any field where more tax money goes to. This is where I play, in the sense I've never worked in any job after college which can't be a least traced back trivially to those sources. It's also a good place area to work if you like to freely share your work with the rest of world, while still getting paid for it. Especially if you work in scientific research.

    If you sell direct to consumers, you either have to contend with massive piracy, competition from FOSS, or you do SaaS. Which is really what Facebook and Google are, software companies that use their software primarily to provide services. And yeah, there is tons of money there too. SaaS is strongly helped by the existence of FOSS.

    Lastly, there is the work-for-hire situation. I have some experience here too. Like for instance a hardware vendor might hire software developers to write drivers for their software. They are unsurprisingly funded by the sale of the hardware. Another very obvious situation is web development. In this case, if you make a website for a restaurant, it can be said that the proceeds of food they sell has went to your salary. These cases also tend to be helped by FOSS.

    In any case, the opportunity to make a living in this field is vast and much larger then any other industry I can think of, except maybe medicine. You picked wisely!

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    TexasToast

    @kettch: Software is or will be free.   You need to find a way to sell a service or hardware with your software.   People like to pay for tangible items.   Take your software,  wrap it up in a nice package,   put a few cool stickers or baseball cards in with it, and then sell it at Walmart for 4.99 and you will have some money to put food on the table.    You might get 25 cents per package but like ScanIAm says,  you make it up in volume.

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    cbae

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    Which is really what Facebook and Google are, software companies that use their software primarily to provide services.

    *snip*

    "services" = vehicle for delivery of advertisements

     

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    Bass

    Computer science is also like the master science. In the sense that any scientific institution has computer scientists on hand these days. The primary purpose might be biology, astronomy, physics, or something else. But whatever the mission of that scientific institution is, it almost always can be helped with more computer science. This makes it really easy to find a job almost anywhere. We have it easiest out of any field of endeavor right now, IMO.

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    Bass

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    "services" = vehicle for delivery of advertisements

     

    Indeed. You can get far more creative with how you make money when you are no longer trying to sell your software like it was a toothbrush.

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    TexasToast

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    Indeed. You can get far more creative with how you make money when you are no longer trying to sell your software like it was a toothbrush.

    Great idea.   A little phone app that shows proper brushing techniques.   It comes with my toothbrush (have a coupon id that downloads it from the store) and again my software made money through a hardware sale.   Of course that toothbrush is 25 cents more so I can make money and feed my family.

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    Bass

    , TexasToast wrote

    *snip*

    Great idea.   A little phone app that shows proper brushing techniques.   It comes with my toothbrush (have a coupon id that downloads it from the store) and again my software made money through a hardware sale.   Of course that toothbrush is 25 cents more so I can make money and feed my family.

    Or you can just make the app free and put Crest adverts all over it. :)

    When you think about it, it's effectively the same exact thing. Toothbrush sales are subsidizing the app either way. When you make money from ads like Google or Facebook does, you are tapping revenue from like, the whole damn economy. That can be a pretty big revenue source I'd say.

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    kettch

    , TexasToast wrote

    @kettch: Software is or will be free.   You need to find a way to sell a service or hardware with your software.   People like to pay for tangible items.   Take your software,  wrap it up in a nice package,   put a few cool stickers or baseball cards in with it, and then sell it at Walmart for 4.99 and you will have some money to put food on the table.    You might get 25 cents per package but like ScanIAm says,  you make it up in volume.

    The market is moving away from packaged software, even with stickers.

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    Lots of software developers make money from revenue sources that can probably trace themselves in some way to scientific, military or otherwise government funding. I mean, federal, state, local governments are all HUGE sponsors of the field of computer science, in the sense that I can't name any field where more tax money goes to. This is where I play, in the sense I've never worked in any job after college which can't be a least traced back trivially to those sources. It's also a good place area to work if you like to freely share your work with the rest of world, while still getting paid for it. Especially if you work in scientific research.

    I've worked in both the private and public sectors, and I'm currently in a public job. However, IMO government does more to hinder research than anything else by shackling research funding to political agendas.

    If you sell direct to consumers, you either have to contend with massive piracy, competition from FOSS, or you do SaaS. Which is really what Facebook and Google are, software companies that use their software primarily to provide services. And yeah, there is tons of money there too. SaaS is strongly helped by the existence of FOSS.

    SaaS is a legitimate model, but I don't see it being different than anything else. I might write awesome software and charge a monthly fee to use it, but damned if I'm going to make if Free.

    Lastly, there is the work-for-hire situation. I have some experience here too. Like for instance a hardware vendor might hire software developers to write drivers for their software. They are unsurprisingly funded by the sale of the hardware. Another very obvious situation is web development. In this case, if you make a website for a restaurant, it can be said that the proceeds of food they sell has went to your salary. These cases also tend to be helped by FOSS.

    Bad example. All software from hardware companies suck always.

    I'm not saying free (lower case, definitely lower case) is a bad model, but it's not some panacea for every situation.

     

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    kettch

    , Bass wrote

    *snip*

    Or you can just make the app free and put Crest adverts all over it. :)

    When you think about it, it's effectively the same exact thing. Toothbrush sales are subsidizing the app either way. When you make money from ads like Google or Facebook does, you are tapping revenue from like, the whole damn economy. That can be a pretty big revenue source I'd say.

    Ad revenue is a bubble that is going to burst very soon. That's why Google and Facebook are so interested in research and products beyond their current models. They need to have a backup plan.

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    Bass

    Ad revenue might go down, but it will always be a huge market. Two things that make a product: it's brand and it's innovation over competitors. Even with innovation, branding is super important. And some things like toothpaste, I mean, it's not going to change very much. So branding is pretty much everything in many cases. So by owning the ad market, you basically own a huge segment of what makes the economy work.

    This is how Google managed to become such a huge power without selling much of anything. TV broadcasters also make the majority of their money from advertisements (they also have license fees, but this is actually secondary).

    License fees can also go down. In the case of Microsoft, they've dropped their license fees to zero in the fastest growing segments.

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    figuerres

    Talk about derailing a topic, this one took a 90 deg turn right from the start....

     

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    kettch

    , figuerres wrote

    Talk about derailing a topic, this one took a 90 deg turn right from the start....

     

    It had the right keywords to attract certain people's attention, but it didn't fit their preferred narrative.

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    cheong

     

    I don't like the idea of having my user information be sold away for ADs, so I've never applied for Facebook account, abandoned my GMail account shortly after I got it, and chosen to stay on MSDN forum instead of now more popular StackOverflow site.

    Recent Achievement unlocked: Code Avenger Tier 4/6: You see dead program. A lot!
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    ScanIAm

    , TexasToast wrote

    @kettch: Software is or will be free.   You need to find a way to sell a service or hardware with your software.   People like to pay for tangible items.   Take your software,  wrap it up in a nice package,   put a few cool stickers or baseball cards in with it, and then sell it at Walmart for 4.99 and you will have some money to put food on the table.    You might get 25 cents per package but like ScanIAm says,  you make it up in volume.

    I don't think you read my post as well as you think.

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