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  • DCMonkey

    Thinner, faster, lighter, taller screen. It looks nice but I'm not all that happy with the new connector making my 4 docks obsolete. But I'd have to get a new ProClip dock for my car anyways as my current one form fits the 3GS, and I don't use 2 of the docks all that often. I could get by with using the included charging cable and WiFI sync at home. The reversible design of the Lightning connector would at least make plugging it in less fiddly.

  • cbae

    It's most definitely yawn-worthy. When's the Lumia 920 coming out?

  • Blue Ink

    Definitely not what I'd call "the best thing to happen to iPhone since iPhone". A bunch of nice improvements, but that's pretty much it. And -100 points for changing connector and not using a micro USB like everybody else.

    It's the second underwhelming iPhone release in a row, and the aggressive pricing seems to reflect this; I wonder if this is an effect of the lack of Steve Jobs at the helm or it's just that there's only so much you can improve in a smartphone these days.

  • cbae

    , Blue Ink wrote

    *snip*

    I wonder if this is an effect of the lack of Steve Jobs at the helm or it's just that there's only so much you can improve in a smartphone these days.

    I think it's mostly the latter. There's no point in bumping the pixel density of the display, and the weight and thickness are fast approaching the point of diminishing returns. Apple's even been relegated to lying about the thinness. They're calling the iPhone 5 the "thinnest smartphone in the world", but it's clearly not the case.

    Spec-wise, everything in the iPhone 5 could have been achieved when the iPhone 4S came out. It's becoming apparent they're holding features back just so they have an excuse to release the next version. You can bet the iPhone 6 is going to have NFC and wireless charging, even though they downplayed the usefulness of those features today.

  • kettch

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    You can bet the iPhone 6 is going to have NFC and wireless charging, even though they downplayed the usefulness of those features today.

    Any time Apple hates on a feature idea, it's pretty much certain that they are going to have it in the next iteration.

  • elmer

    , kettch wrote

    Any time Apple hates on a feature idea, it's pretty much certain that they are going to have it in the next iteration.

    Apple never changes:

    "Not Invented/Implemented Here" == Bad Idea

    "Invented/Implemented Here" == Genius Idea

    Larger iPhone was a bad idea at iPhone4S launch... now it's a brilliant idea with iPhone5.

    NFC and Wireless charging are bad ideas with iPhone5... they'll be the hot thing for iPhone6.

  • BitFlipper

    What are you guys talking about? If Apple went with a microUSB connector like every other phone manufacturer out there, they won't be able to charge you $$ for their proprietary cables and adaptors, and it would be easier for customers to switch to alternative phones later down the line without obsoleting their accessories.

    [/sarcasm]

    Supposedly the new connector doesn't even pass analog audio/video like the old one did, so other than being able to connect it with any orientation, it has zero other advantage whatsoever. Well other than what is mentioned above. This is innovation people!

  • dahat

    , elmer wrote

    *snip*

    Apple never changes:

    "Not Invented/Implemented Here" == Bad Idea

    "Invented/Implemented Here" == Genius Idea

    Larger iPhone was a bad idea at iPhone4S launch... now it's a brilliant idea with iPhone5.

    NFC and Wireless charging are bad ideas with iPhone5... they'll be the hot thing for iPhone6.

    Given the naming they've done over the years... iPhone6 probably won't be seen until 2014... in 2013 I expect we'll see the iPhone5S (ie the incremental improvement over the previous years phone design).

  • Dr Herbie

    @BitFlipper: Apparently they are making a converter ... http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/apple-lightning-to-micro-usb-adapter/

     

    Herbie

  • Ian2

    @Dr Herbie:I think I heard that it is a legal requirement for them in order to be able to sell iPhones in Europe.

    Anyone confirm that?

  • giovanni

    , Ian2 wrote

    @Dr Herbie:I think I heard that it is a legal requirement for them in order to be able to sell iPhones in Europe.

    Anyone confirm that?

    Yes, this is the legal standard over here.

  • Bas

    I love that connector. I personally can't stand fiddling with the micro-usb connector on my phone. I turn it over at least three or four times.

    My GPS is even worse. I'm suspecting TomTom of making it deliberately hard to plug in without actually grabbing the device, turning it upside down and looking at the socket, in order to prevent you from plugging your device in while driving.

    If it serves no other purpose than that (did they really drop the whole video/audio output over the connector thing? That seems... odd) then yeah, it's not much of an advantage over micro-usb, but still. I guess I just wish USB was orientation-agnostic.

  • BitFlipper

    And the funny thing is... It is still just USB 2, so it doesn't even have any speed advantage over microUSB.

    This is a perfect example of how Apple milks its customers just because those customers will just accept it and pay up. You can even see some of them defending this move in various forums, really strange.

  • BitFlipper

    , Bas wrote

    I love that connector. I personally can't stand fiddling with the micro-usb connector on my phone. I turn it over at least three or four times.

    I'm not following. You have a 50% chance of needing to turn it over just once. If you struggle to get it in because you can't align it properly due to not being able to see the port properly, then how is the new connector going to solve that particular problem?

  • Blue Ink

    @BitFlipper: Nope. This is how micro USB foils your statistics:

    You try to plug it in casually, doesn't work. So you flip it over and try agan. Doesn't work either, so you go back to the first position and use a little more determination. If it still doesn't fit, then you flip it a third time and press real hard.

    In the few occasions where that doesn't work either, you stop the car and turn on the light.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Blue Ink: Spot on. Version two of "Meh". Gotta wonder how long the brand can hold on to customer loyalty. Seems like a opening may have opened up for Microsoft. Couldn't ask for better timing than this with W8 right around the corner. If Apple had a clue they would have double-downed on enterprise integration and features that would help secure the iPad in enterprise use.

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  • Bas

    , Blue Ink wrote

    @BitFlipper: Nope. This is how micro USB foils your statistics:

    You try to plug it in casually, doesn't work. So you flip it over and try agan. Doesn't work either, so you go back to the first position and use a little more determination. If it still doesn't fit, then you flip it a third time and press real hard.

    In the few occasions where that doesn't work either, you stop the car and turn on the light.

    Exactly this.

  • Bas

    Wasn't the iPad mini supposed to be revealed yesterday? In the wake of that "$200 Surface rumor is spread by the competition to make the eventual price seem expensive" rumor, could the iPad Mini have been a rumor spread by the competition to make yesterday seem lacklustre? In hindsight, they needn't have bothered.

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