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    Ray7

    , Ian2 wrote

    @Dr Herbie:I think I heard that it is a legal requirement for them in order to be able to sell iPhones in Europe.

    Anyone confirm that?

    Yup, that's how the law stands. 

    Apple gets around it by putting an adapter in the box.

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    magicalclick

    @Bas:

    I am not sure what you mean. I can easily tell which is the top side from the bottom side of the micro USB. I can even feel it if I want to. I have never failed to plug it on first attempt.

    Not saying you have bad eyes or can't feel it with your fingers, my mom did the zombie way until she broke her phone. So, I can understand what you are coming from.

    The manufacture can easily add blind man's dot text on the rubber side of the plug. And have different color on the top side. Both are very easy to achieve instead of relying the two dumps on the metal part.

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    Ray7

    , Blue Ink wrote

    It's the second underwhelming iPhone release in a row, and the aggressive pricing seems to reflect this; I wonder if this is an effect of the lack of Steve Jobs at the helm or it's just that there's only so much you can improve in a smartphone these days.

    But the *first* underwhelming iPhone release went on to be their best selling phone, and that had even *fewer* changes than the iPhone it succeeded. As far as I can see, the prices have remained the same: a hair's width above 'outrageous'. Given the deal they get on components, they can certainly afford to shave off a few quid.

    Steve Jobs? The time Apple takes to design a product means that he not only was hands-on on this model, but also the 'S' version that will be released next year.

    Haven't had a look at the cable, but if it can only be used for syncing and charging then I can see a lot of car owners switching to a different phone.

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    Maddus Mattus

    @giovanni: they will let you sell it with an adapter.

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    Bas

    @magicalclick: I can see it, sure. If I look at my phone and then at the connector, I can switch it on in one go. But that doesn't work in the dark, or when I'm in some sort of awkward position, and it takes effort, stupid as that may sound. I just want to be able to plug it in without first examining both connector and socket.

    I can't feel the shape of the connector with my fingers. I could with mini USB, but not with micro. Also, it's impossible to feel for the shape of the socket because the phone's bezel is higher than the socket. So even if I could feel the way the connector is oriented, I have no idea how it's supposed to go in my phone.

    Basically it's just a lot of fiddling. It needs to be as easy as plugging a device into an electrical outlet. Like plugging a charger into a laptop. Headphones into whatever takes headphones. All these devices have plugs that go in upside down, for the exact reason that they are easy to plug in that way. Why does a USB charger have to be different?

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    BitFlipper

    , Blue Ink wrote

    @BitFlipper: Nope. This is how micro USB foils your statistics:

    You try to plug it in casually, doesn't work. So you flip it over and try agan. Doesn't work either, so you go back to the first position and use a little more determination. If it still doesn't fit, then you flip it a third time and press real hard.

    In the few occasions where that doesn't work either, you stop the car and turn on the light.

    That's what I said. The new Apple connector isn't going to help you align it up any better than a microUSB. It's only going to give you a better chance if finally getting it in. IOW, it doesn't help at all with the alignment. Might cut down slightly on the amount of time you struggle, but seriously, that justifies a whole new proprietary connector that will cost all Apple customers extra $$ and require an extra converter to hook up to any standard accessories?

    Sorry, I just don't buy that kind of justification for something that was clearly done by Apple to gouge more $$ from its customers. And you fall for it?

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    magicalclick

    @Bas:

    I too don't see and feel the "shape" of the plug. The upside of the plug is rough and downside is smooth. I can easily see and feel the bumps. I guess you are just having crappy wire because both my HTC and my dad's Samsung micro USB have the same bumps on the upside.

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    wkempf

    , Bas wrote

    Basically it's just a lot of fiddling. It needs to be as easy as plugging a device into an electrical outlet. Like plugging a charger into a laptop. Headphones into whatever takes headphones. All these devices have plugs that go in upside down, for the exact reason that they are easy to plug in that way. Why does a USB charger have to be different?

    I have issues with plugging in micro USB cords as well, so I'm not trying to disagree with your overall sentiment, but you missed the mark with mentioning electrical plugs... at least in the US. Some cords can be plugged in in either orientation, but most cannot. Most are polarized plugs and can be put in in only one orientation, and others are grounded as well which really forces a single orientation. This isn't a real issue however for several reasons: the plugs are large enough that it's easy to tell what orientation you need, if you get it wrong it's obvious (unlike with micro USB where you don't know if you're just struggling to plug it in), and you rarely need to plug/unplug most devices once they are plugged in. So, yeah, despite your bad example, I fully agree with you.

    You asked about the iPad mini. The speculation for weeks has been that Apple would have a separate event to announce that device at a later date (http://daringfireball.net/2012/08/sharing_the_stage keeping in mind that Gruber was only speculating, I link to him only because he was the first to publish this "rumor", but since then several others chimed in with more than speculation). No one was really expecting an iPad mini announcement here, but most pundits expect an announcement in October. And yes, all of these announcements (from every company) are being carefully timed in order to impact the announcements from other companies. It's making for some interesting times this year in the lead-up to the holiday buying season.

    I do think Apple faltered, and have left themselves open here, but someone still has to take advantage of that. The Lumia 920 seems to be getting more buzz after the iPhone 5 announcement than it did after their own announcement (for that matter, it's getting more buzz than the iPhone 5 as well), but even still, Nokia has pretty well botched things here. They need to recover quickly to take advantage of Apple's slip. Or one of the Android folks could be the one to take advantage here. In the end, though Apple has such a big lead right now that all anyone can hope for is to close the gap. The iPhone 5 is still going to sell extremely well, and Apple is almost certain to retain the lead... at least for now.

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    cbae

    LOL. It's possible that these were staged, as I'm skeptical that people (even Apple fans Smiley) are *that* stupid. 

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    Bas

    , BitFlipper wrote

    *snip*

    That's what I said. The new Apple connector isn't going to help you align it up any better than a microUSB.

    No, but that wasn't the problem. The problem is not knowing if it's a matter of alignment or a matter of having the connector upside-down, which causes needless turning. With a connector that can be inserted both ways, you -know- the problem is alignment so you fiddle about with it for a second longer until it works.

     

    Might cut down slightly on the amount of time you struggle, but seriously, that justifies a whole new proprietary connector that will cost all Apple customers extra $$ and require an extra converter to hook up to any standard accessories?

    It's really whatever committee designed micro USB's fault for giving Apple this opportunity for creating yet another proprietary connector. Many, many connectors were designed to be insertable either way, why couldn't USB be the same way?

    Sorry, I just don't buy that kind of justification for something that was clearly done by Apple to gouge more $$ from its customers. And you fall for it?

    I'm saying a connector that doesn't require a "right side up" is convenient and would take away one of my many annoyances with smartphones. Whatever motive Apple may have for it is irrelevant to me since I'm not buying their phone.

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    AndyC

    Micro-USB is certainly an annoying connector and doubtless could have been designed much better. That doesn't really change the fact that Apple's new connector is much more to do with keeping iPhone accessories exclusive to the iPhone than any particular desire to make better technology. It's all about the lock-in factor.

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    magicalclick

    I am confused, is HTC surround using micro-USB? Because I can easily plug it with eyes closed in single try. I must.be using some kind of magical micro-USB or it is not micro-USB? 

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    AndyC

    @magicalclick: Maybe you're just more nimble fingered than us old gits! Even if I stop and look at the shape of the connector to make sure it's oriented right I find fitting the connector on both my HTC Mozart 7 and Kindle to be a fiddly and awkward experience.

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    magicalclick

    @AndyC:

    This is where I am confused. Why say shape? They are both rectangles. Just different textures.

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    spivonious

    Ha, this just shows how uninteresting the iPhone 5 is.

    I have no problems with micro USB, but I do have to look at it first to make I insert it correctly, and even then it doesn't go in smoothly (LG Quantum).

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    wkempf

    Different connectors and different cables can make a big differenc here. The cable that came with my Focus had a design that made it easy to tell the orientation without looking at it, and somehow also helped to make it easy to align in almost any plug I've tried it on. On the other hand, nearly every other micro USB cable I've had to deal with has been a pain.

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    AndyC

    @magicalclick: It's not quite rectangular, there's a slightly trapezoidal shape to the end of the plug (otherwise it would fit either way round!) I can't say I've ever known a usb cable to have a particularly distinguishing texture on either side. The Kindle one in front of me right now does have a slightly etched in USB logo on one side, I suppose, although I couldn't tell you off hand whether that's supposed to be on the top or the bottom - so I just end up comparing the shape of the plug and socket to ensure I've oriented them right.

    And all of this is one of the reasons that, as silly as it sounds, I'm quite attracted to those Nokia wireless charging pillow things...

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    Blue Ink

    , BitFlipper wrote

    *snip*

    That's what I said. The new Apple connector isn't going to help you align it up any better than a microUSB. It's only going to give you a better chance if finally getting it in. IOW, it doesn't help at all with the alignment. Might cut down slightly on the amount of time you struggle, but seriously, that justifies a whole new proprietary connector that will cost all Apple customers extra $$ and require an extra converter to hook up to any standard accessories?

    Sorry, I just don't buy that kind of justification for something that was clearly done by Apple to gouge more $$ from its customers. And you fall for it?

    I'd have to try it first, of course, but I suspect that removing the orientation uncertainty is going to make a difference. Once you know that the orientation doesn't matter, you can just fiddle and apply more force without worrying about breaking anything (which is the reason for all the flipping I described)

    This said, I agree: as I said in my first post Apple should have gone with what everybody else is using. The convenience of being able to use whatever charger or cable is laying around, or leech an emergency charge outweighs any improvement. I wouldn't be surprised if this attempt at lock-in backfired on them.

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