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    Blue Ink

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    But the *first* underwhelming iPhone release went on to be their best selling phone, and that had even *fewer* changes than the iPhone it succeeded. As far as I can see, the prices have remained the same: a hair's width above 'outrageous'. Given the deal they get on components, they can certainly afford to shave off a few quid.

    Steve Jobs? The time Apple takes to design a product means that he not only was hands-on on this model, but also the 'S' version that will be released next year.

    Haven't had a look at the cable, but if it can only be used for syncing and charging then I can see a lot of car owners switching to a different phone.

    My comment about pricing was based on the initial press release, which seemed to imply a price of $199 without a contract (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/09/12Apple-Introduces-iPhone-5.html), which spelled highly competitive to me. The Apple Store clarifies that point, so scratch that.

    Nobody said that the iPhone 5 is half bad, or that the 4S was; what they lacked, IMHO, is any wow factor at launch. Siri went close, but expectations were just too high for that to suffice. This time there isn't even that; it's a great phone, but I would be hard pressed to find a single reason (*the* single reason) to want one. Except it's an iPhone, of course, and that will be more than enough for a lot of people.

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    magicalclick

    @AndyC:

    Are you refering to the two dumppy thing on the plug to lock it in place? If you don't have it, te plug will slide out very easily due to lack of dumppy thingy.

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    therealtalon

    Am I the only one that thinks that aluminum back is absolutely hideous? Like really, the Sectera Edge looks way more attractive! Why wouldn't they make the whole back aluminum or keep it all glass?

    I think I'm going to pick up a Lumia 920 when they come to Canada.

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    Ion Todirel

    , Blue Ink wrote

    Definitely not what I'd call "the best thing to happen to iPhone since iPhone". A bunch of nice improvements, but that's pretty much it. And -100 points for changing connector and not using a micro USB like everybody else.

    It's the second underwhelming iPhone release in a row, and the aggressive pricing seems to reflect this; I wonder if this is an effect of the lack of Steve Jobs at the helm or it's just that there's only so much you can improve in a smartphone these days.


    I hate micro USB, being small and short it makes it easier to trash the phone, every time you get the orientation of the connector wrong, you can scratch the phone.

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    Bas

    @magicalclick: Fun fact: if that's up, then on my phone the "up" side of the connector needs to go towards the back of the phone. For my camera it's towards the front of the camera. In other words: I need to remember where "up" is for every Micro USB device I own. Whereas if it was reversible, I wouldn't need to go through this.

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    AndyC

    , magicalclick wrote

    @AndyC:

    Are you refering to the two dumppy thing on the plug to lock it in place? If you don't have it, te plug will slide out very easily due to lack of dumppy thingy.

    No, I mean the plug socket is shaped kinda like this:

    -----------
    |          |
    \---------/

    So there is very definitely a top and a bottom. Except it's too small a difference to be immeadiately obvious and it also never seems to be consistent which way should be the top or bottom between devices. 

    (*sigh* why does C9 make it so f**king difficult to just stick in a quick bit of ASCII Art!)

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    magicalclick

    @Bas:

    Oh sorry, didn't thought of camera. Never used USB on camera, I have SD-HD card and battery charger. Also I rarely use my camera. My bad. To be honest, I only use my phone, and my tiny brain can remember the up side for one device.

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    magicalclick

    @AndyC:

    I agree. It is very hard to see in that orientation.

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    Ray7

    , Blue Ink wrote

    *snip*

    My comment about pricing was based on the initial press release, which seemed to imply a price of $199 without a contract (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/09/12Apple-Introduces-iPhone-5.html), which spelled highly competitive to me. The Apple Store clarifies that point, so scratch that.

    Fair enough. They've adopted pretty much the same model since the iPhone was launched: Add the new model at the top price, shift all the others down the price band, lowest spec model falls off the end. The free model is now the iPhone4

    Nobody said that the iPhone 5 is half bad, or that the 4S was; what they lacked, IMHO, is any wow factor at launch. Siri went close, but expectations were just too high for that to suffice. This time there isn't even that; it's a great phone, but I would be hard pressed to find a single reason (*the* single reason) to want one. Except it's an iPhone, of course, and that will be more than enough for a lot of people.

    Some will go for the bigger screen, the inclusion of LTE, the upgraded memory, the faster processor, the new pancake flat unibody construction...

    The problem is that there really is not much else you can do with a phone. They could have added wireless charging, but they couldn't really see the advantages. If you could just charge across the air then I could see the need, but you still need to plug something into a wall and have your phone near it. You're still tethered, so the only difference is that I can't answer the phone while it's charging, and taking longer and wasting more power for the same result.

    Lack of NFC is a different matter. Though again, I'm not sure the uptake is that high, and it would require finding room for yet another chip. On the other hand, Bluetooth 4.0 supports Near Field Communication and supports single-tap pairing/synching and very low power consumption. They're probably just going to go with that, since that's already built in.

    Chances are I'll get one when my current contract runs out.

     Though I have no idea what's going on with the cabling. Sounds like a disaster.

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    Ray7

    , therealtalon wrote

    Am I the only one that thinks that aluminum back is absolutely hideous?

    Possibly not. Though I think it's best looking phone they've made, especially the polished edges.

     

    Like really, the Sectera Edge looks way more attractive! Why wouldn't they make the whole back aluminum or keep it all glass?

    The glass back was too delicate. Lots of users cracked it. The glass back was a terrible idea.

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    gogonow

    I also don't find this something valuable and important the samsung xs2 will have a massive technology changes..

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    JeremyJ

    @Bas: I think reversable would be better but not at the cost of having to rebuy everything.  The future is going to be all wireless everything anyway.  The 920 is just the beginning.  Wireless charging and wireless sync and NFC.  Eventually they will just stop putting ports on a phone all together.

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    kettch

    @JeremyJ: I could go for that. With a little wireless charging and NFC sprinkled around, you could go a long way towards the magic we've seen in some of the Microsoft concept videos.

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    BitFlipper

    While I don't think it will ever really be possible (as someone with an electronics engineering background), it would have been great if "Wireless Charging" really meant wireless charging as in distances up to, say 30ft. Well you can technically (see Nikola Tesla), but that will be extraordinary inefficient and will never get past the people that believe the small amounts of magnetic radiation we have in the air right now is going to kill everybody. If/when we do solve that problem though, maybe then we can throw all ports away (maybe sooner if "wireless charging" does take off).

    I still think that as it is implemented today, it is a bit gimmicky since you need to place the phone physically on the changing base. "Wireless" is a bit of a deceptive term in this case. Yes, wireless over 1/8th of an inch, sure.

    Also nobody has been able to tell me whether placing my wallet next to the charging base will wipe my credit cards or not.

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    DCMonkey

    It seems you'll be able to get additional new cables for $19 instead of paying $29 for the adapter. Still it doesn't really solve the problem of dock-style peripherals, unless they expect you to prop it up on top of the adapter. Also, it appears that analog audio (but not video) is supported with the new adapter and that there will also be VGA and HDMI cables available in the near future.

    But I might wait for the iPhone 20 instead:

    http://9gag.com/gag/5351849/

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    Sven Groot

    , BitFlipper wrote

    While I don't think it will ever really be possible (as someone with an electronics engineering background), it would have been great if "Wireless Charging" really meant wireless charging as in distances up to, say 30ft. Well you can technically (see Nikola Tesla), but that will be extraordinary inefficient and will never get past the people that believe the small amounts of magnetic radiation we have in the air right now is going to kill everybody. If/when we do solve that problem though, maybe then we can throw all ports away (maybe sooner if "wireless charging" does take off).

    A magnetic field strong enough to charge something at 10m distance at reasonable speed and efficiency will probably be strong enough to pull the metal fillings out of your mouth. I think I'll stick to wires, in that case.

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    evildictait​or

    , Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    A magnetic field strong enough to charge something at 10m distance at reasonable speed and efficiency will probably be strong enough to pull the metal fillings out of your mouth. I think I'll stick to wires, in that case.

    Who says charging needs to be done magnetically? You could imagine a charger that is based on laser light (e.g. a microwave beam or an infrared beam) being used to charge a device more than a few feet away.

    You'd still lose efficiency because the signal degrades with the square of the distance between the emitter and the appliance, and it won't cope with people getting in the way of the beam, and you probably won't be able to do area-of-effect charging zones to do it, but I don't see why wireless charging at 10 feet should be impossible :/

     

    As you say, using magnets to do this would be bad  - it'd wipe your credit card as you go in the front door, and cripple all of your display screens (like TVs and laptops) as well Smiley

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