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the new metro apps are pretty lame...

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    jamie

    photo viewer - black UI - ok ill give a go

    - does not say what jpg your viewing!

    - no - actual size - button

    you have to hit the side arrows exactly to see next (do you guys never see revolution slider in wordpress - or ANY wordpress photo viewer? sure the right and left arrows are there - but you can click NEAR them - anywhere on the right of left side to advance photos - pretty much every single website photo gallery has this - but yours is retarded.

    - scroll wheel advances - not zooms - = bad usage choice

    to zoom you have to hit stupid little icons again - at the bottom right.

     it is like you are saying - we tried so hard to be different - we put things in stupid places

    - no RIGHT MOUSE

    - no drag and drop in or out

     

     

    Metro video player

    -  escape dosent take you out of full screen

    - no rightmouse

    - no save video as

    - no dragging in videos

    - doesnt say what video you watching

     

    so do you really think we are supposed to use these?  they are a joke

     

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    donald trump

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    magicalclick

    Yeah, the photo app is crappy right after my dad used it.

    1) can't press right key in slide show.
    2) black theme.

    But, because the new DPI setting broke the old Photo Explore, I told my dad to get used to it. Hopefully there is enough feedback to get the app updated.

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    MasterPi

    The photo app is annoying in that you go to open a picture and it opens both the app window and a window containing the photo.

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    BitFlipper

    After first giving each a fair try, I decided to switch pretty much each and every one of the defaults from the finger apps to the real applications.

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    figuerres

    windows 10 mail, no way to clear / mass delete the junk mail / spam folder.  so if it gets like 50 spams you have to go to delete them one at a time or not use the mail app.

    zip files - I have a zip file and the windows 10 zip handler is failing - the archive is encrypted and it's not prompting me for the password.

    many small things that they need to fix.

    they should have not made the july promise to release windows 10, they should have given it another 2 months and fixed a lot of stuff.

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    bondsbw

    , figuerres wrote

     

    they should have not made the july promise to release windows 10, they should have given it another 2 months and fixed a lot of stuff.

    Agreed.

    Considering this didn't happen, at least, I hope these things are fixed and released soon.  I'm just wondering when these insider features are actually going to make it to everyone.

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    cheong

    @figuerres: Yes, that's exactly why I stopped using it a week or so after installed Win8. It's way more time efficient for me to go back to webmail.

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    spivonious

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    they should have not made the july promise to release windows 10, they should have given it another 2 months and fixed a lot of stuff.

     

    They wanted to hit back-to-school and figured they could fix these small issues later.

    Groove Music is horrible for anything beyond playback. Can't rip CDs, can't burn CDs, can't download playlists locally to play while disconnected.

    Agree with the above on the mail app. Much easier for me to just use outlook.com.

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    figuerres

    , spivonious wrote

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    They wanted to hit back-to-school and figured they could fix these small issues later.

    Groove Music is horrible for anything beyond playback. Can't rip CDs, can't burn CDs, can't download playlists locally to play while disconnected.

    Agree with the above on the mail app. Much easier for me to just use outlook.com.

    and how much good is it to make the date if the result is that users find so many things half finished ?    I guess they think that the mass of users will never see or use all the half baked parts ; that might be true but it still makes it look like Microsoft is not able to manage the development very well.

    in the end is this really helping the Microsoft brand  ?   I think not.

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    bondsbw

    , spivonious wrote

    They wanted to hit back-to-school and figured they could fix these small issues later.

    I'm certain that's what it is.  Many states in the US had their back-to-school sales tax holidays beginning the weekend after July 29 or over the next few weekends.  Since computers are often included in those, it makes for pretty substantial savings, so quite a few people held off on purchasing a computer until then.  Many retailers also added discounts on top of the sales tax break.  The discounts over that weekend often turn out to be as good or better than Black Friday, at least for the items that are allowed under the tax break.

    But that's just consumer sales.  I'd be surprised if any schools are using Windows 10, it was much too close to the beginning of the year to switch.  That will happen next summer.  In the mean time, students will be using Windows 10 at home and Windows 7 at school.

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    spivonious

    @bondsbw: Schools use Windows? Admittedly, I haven't been in a public school since 2000, but every computer they had was a Mac, even back to the Apple IIGS machines in elementary school.

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    bondsbw

    @spivonious:  Not sure where you went to school, but every school I knew used Windows almost exclusively*.  At my university, where I was a student and employee for over a decade, I only knew of one lab out of dozens that used Macs and it was a graphic design lab.

    That said, Apple computers were more common when I was in elementary school.  The last one I saw in a secondary school setting was around 1995.

    * This is just comparing Windows and Macs, in high school we used Novell software for a while. As a student in college I used a mix of Linux and Windows, and on my job at the university we just used Windows.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    It's pretty clear Microsoft doesn't care about the out-of-box experience. While the W10 upgrade process for most of my PCs went smooth it's the post upgrade stuff like this that drove me crazy. Even worse was fighting the mail app setup after the initial upgrade only to find that had I waited for Windows to get around to installing Windows updates (which contained fixes for Mail) I wouldn't have had to fight it so much. (And by "waited for Windows" I mean opening the Store app and forcing it to look for updates). I guess the backlash from W8's initial mail app wasn't enough for Microsoft to consider actually trying to do a better job this time around.

    It's sad to see Microsoft firmly affix itself to the idea that it's ok to release software with such terrible bugs and poor & inconsistent UI/UX. It seems Microsoft's development strategy is:

    1. Greenfield a new version of an existing app
    2. Change the design offering no improvement in UX and ignoring good UX from the previous app.
    3. Release it missing features from the previous app with the idea that you'll eventually get around to adding those feature in at some point.
    4. Rinse & repeat.

    They've already spent their customer's patience and keep coming back asking for more without providing anything substantially beneficial in return.

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    spivonious

    , bondsbw wrote

    @spivonious:  Not sure where you went to school, but every school I knew used Windows almost exclusively*.  At my university, where I was a student and employee for over a decade, I only knew of one lab out of dozens that used Macs and it was a graphic design lab.

    That said, Apple computers were more common when I was in elementary school.  The last one I saw in a secondary school setting was around 1995.

    * This is just comparing Windows and Macs, in high school we used Novell software for a while. As a student in college I used a mix of Linux and Windows, and on my job at the university we just used Windows.

    Yep, that was just through 12th grade. College had an assortment of PCs running Windows, Solaris, and Unix.

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    NoelCarboni

    Shouldn't the flagship Apps that ship with the OS show off the very best of what Apps could be, not be half-baked, uncompleted things that lack features or glitz?

    This, of course leads to the question:  ARE they the best that Apps could be?

    In which case it's not just the instances of Apps themselves that are lame...

    -Noel

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    bondsbw

    @NoelCarboni: I guess it depends on your perspective.  I've never considered the apps that come with the OS to be the best-of-the-best, but rather something that is good enough for simple usage.

    I've never used the email app that came with Windows before Windows 8.  Even then it wasn't used much.  I mostly use Outlook or web access.

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    androidi

    @NoelCarboni:

    Strategic choice really.

    There's valid pro/cons to each. If a product is "light years ahead" of the competition, it's possible the competition will either go look for some less developed niches and it might take a long time until time/lack of marketing has obsoleted that product in publics eye. eg. There could be great software made for Windows 95 for which there is still no real replacement but as such is long forgotten, there's room to make/sell new inferior software to compete against the old. eg. # of games in same genre as SC2 (DOS) after 1992.. 3? - before - dozens!. When something perfect exists, not many are motivated to try go compete with it as probability of looking inferior and receiving critical comparisons to the perfect product is almost 100%.


    Apple pretty much ensured many professionals would flock to their platform in 2002 by acquiring Emagic (Logic) & ceasing it on Windows. Only once the perception was that Apple was kinda "dropping the ball" with Logic, new competition started appearing (or perhaps was already in development but I hadn't become aware about).


    Conjecture could be formed that the right thing to do depends on what the longer term strategy is. For Apple it was strong music product focus.

    One current "low hanging fruit" market grab would be with whoever can come up with a smartphone that actually has usable camera. (dedicated camera button that takes photo within <300 ms of pressing the button from standby - all the competition takes ~2 sec now and may not have dedicated button) - and of course marketing should make big noise about it too. That should not be too hard to do but apparently hard enough that no one has done it yet. Now I'm not going to recommend buying some photo editing tool company as I'm not really into that editing stuff * but it's certainly a possible play to consider if one had a smartphone strategy that was more "smart,slim,fast,compactcamera" than smartphone.

    (*imo if you need more than Crop and few minor tweaks then it's kinda like recording someone singing and then applying auto-tune or whatever - the more processing/shopping the more obvious it becomes that something has been done - the skill shouldn't be in applying ton of editing but in selecting a nice location and timing the shot - eg if I shoot scenery, sun might lit the scenery nicely only for very short time and by the time I've stopped my bike, walked to ideal location, pulled out the camera, there's only seconds left of the ideal lighting and if the camera is slow I might miss it - no amount of editing can after the fact fix the lighting convincingly to what it was few seconds earlier)

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    spivonious

    , NoelCarboni wrote

    Shouldn't the flagship Apps that ship with the OS show off the very best of what Apps could be, not be half-baked, uncompleted things that lack features or glitz?

    This, of course leads to the question:  ARE they the best that Apps could be?

    In which case it's not just the instances of Apps themselves that are lame...

    -Noel

    I agree with this. Windows comes with Notepad, not Word. Paint, not Photoshop.

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