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    cro

    Is there a list of all the new Windows Vista features or improvement over Windows XP? I am mostly interrested in other features then the visual effects.

    Thanks.

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    W3bbo

    Not that much really.

    IE7, WinFX, XAML, Indigo, WPF, those are all getting backported to Windows XP.

    WMP11 may be Vista-only, but WMP11 doesn't have any "must have" features for me (I'm still using WMP9).

    Not sure about WinFS though.

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    paintballse​an17

    yes there is try paul thorrots site,.

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    BenZilla

    W3bbo wrote:
    Not that much really.

    IE7, WinFX, XAML, Indigo, WPF, those are all getting backported to Windows XP.

    WMP11 may be Vista-only, but WMP11 doesn't have any "must have" features for me (I'm still using WMP9).

    Not sure about WinFS though.


    Watch that much channel9?

    How about a new networking stack, audio stack, and other stuff.

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    cro

    BenZilla wrote:

    How about a new networking stack, audio stack, and other stuff.


    I knew about the networking stack and audio stack. But what is the other stuff?

    Paul Thurrott site is good for a general overview of the new features. But I would like an in deep list like the networking stack and the audio stack stuff.

    Thanks.

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    W3bbo

    BenZilla wrote:
    How about a new networking stack, audio stack, and other stuff.


    I was refering to new features that enable you to run new applications and similar stuff.

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    AdityaG

    1. Do not listen to "experts" talking about Vista
    2. Try to stay away from Paul Thurrott's "super"site. This is the person who compared Windows Vista Beta 1 to Mac OSX "Tiger" (i.e. a first beta to a complete, released OS). I am sorry Paul, you need to find some logic and cram it into your head.
    3. Watch all the channel 9 videos on Vista. There is a lot of new stuff underneath.

    As I go through the Vista section :
    1. Almost completely rewritten audio stack
    2. rewritten networking stack
    3. Avalon
    4. Indigo (sort of part of networking but the framework is new)
    5. IE7(I know a lot of us already use firefox, including me, but it would be nice to have a browser that works well out of the box.. and looks quite nice)
    6. WMP11
    6.1. Windows Mail (i.e. new spankin' outlook)
    6.2. Windows Photos app (don't remember exact name)
    6.3...? Other new win apps like Calendar etc.
    7. Some sort of updated MSI (I may not be giving enough credit here.. didn't watch that video too closely)
    8. Sidebar anyone? Smiley
    9. Aero Glass (a lot of people hate this for god knows what reason... personal preference though I guess)
    10. New fonts, upgraded Cleartype system
    11. Better support for internationalization, if you need it
    12. Better printing support!
    13. Better terminal services
    14. New Crypto "framework" (not a framework really..but yeah)
    15. New Shell! Virtual Folders etc.
    16. RSS! RSS! RSS! RSS! (as scoble would say if he was steve balmer Tongue Out)
    17. Some new kernel stuff? (have to watch that video again, a lot of it went over my head *whoosh*)

    And probably a lot more. But hell after new shell, aero, audio and networking stack I was hooked.

    Cheers,
    Aditya

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    steamy

    Some new features:

    • There are a lot of new stuff in memory management for Vista, for example: it can detect faulty memory address, and dont use it, so bad memory wont cause BSOD, the whole memory manager have been updated to reflect todays memory sizes, superfetch for faster program start and USB memory for cache....etc.

    • Transactional File System
    • Transactional Registry

    • always everybody forgets one of the biggest: DWM (not part of Aero, and not backported to XP)
    • every win app refreshed (maybe Paint not, but who knows)
    • new apps
    • new look and feel (Aero, not backported, with new backgrounds, new screensavers, new start menu, new windows switching etc)
    • new audio stack (per app volume control, low latency, "glitch free")
    • new network stack (IPv6, network awareness, network map, faster networking, IPsec, etc)
    • new shell with new control panel applets.

    • search throughout the system
    • new Driver Model
    • new Help system
    • new print spool (Metro)
    • new Error Reporting and Problem Solving stuff
    • new Image Based installer
    • a lot of new technology supported (for example EFI...and a lot more)

    • security features (new firewall, UAP or what its called, Defender built in, services has been changed a bit, sandboxing, etc)

    • later-> WinFS
    • WMP11
    • Ie7 -> will have some Vista only features

    THESE FEATURES WERE VISTA ONLY!!!! not backported.
    and here comes the backported features

    • sidebar
    • WinFX(Indigo, Avalon)
    • Ie7
    so...as i see it, there is a lot more new here than just the backported stuff

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    jmazner

    There are a couple questions you might ask, actually:

    1) what's new in Vista for end-users?  if I sat my {mom | dad | brother | neighbor} in front of a Vista desktop, what would they see as different?  Lots of changes here to explorer and apps (music and picture experiences, for example)

    2) what's new in Vista for developers? Lots of new platform stuff.  Much of it (WinFX, for example) will be available on XP and 2003 as well, which is great news.  But there are some APIs that are unique to Vista (new stuff around inking, power management, p2p, etc)

    3) what makes Vista a better OS than XP?  This is an all up question.  you'd certainly include the answers to #1 and #2 in here, but then you could also list a bunch of other feature areas: improvements to core OS for performance, stability and reliability (LUA, IE 7 low-rights mode), improvements for IT around imaging/deployment and manageability, and improvements for OEMs.

    It would take many pages to answer quesiton #3 -- I will look around to see if there's anything on the public ms.com web site that tries to summarize it all.

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    W3bbo

    Power User Dave begins his dissection Smiley

    jmazner wrote:
    There are a couple questions you might ask, actually:

    1) what's new in Vista for end-users?  if I sat my {mom | dad | brother | neighbor} in front of a Vista desktop, what would they see as different?  Lots of changes here to explorer and apps (music and picture experiences, for example)


    I find the "music" and "picture" bits in shells a little patronising and a bad attempt at shoe-horning people into doing things a certain way. I don't like it when the shell has a "Buy music online" button, I see it as an advertisement.

    I also feel the new start menu and UI paradigms are a step backwards in usability.

    jmazner wrote:
    2) what's new in Vista for developers? Lots of new platform stuff.  Much of it (WinFX, for example) will be available on XP and 2003 as well, which is great news.  But there are some APIs that are unique to Vista (new stuff around inking, power management, p2p, etc)


    Very well.

    jmazner wrote:
    3) what makes Vista a better OS than XP?  This is an all up question.  you'd certainly include the answers to #1 and #2 in here, but then you could also list a bunch of other feature areas: improvements to core OS for performance, stability and reliability (LUA, IE 7 low-rights mode), improvements for IT around imaging/deployment and manageability, and improvements for OEMs.


    We've had powerful imaging and deployment tools since the Windows 9x days, they just weren't officially supported by Microsoft (somewhere in the MCSE it says to roll out a base installation and distribute applications over AD when it's really just easier to roll out a HDD image)

    As for OS stability... shouldn't that have been a priority with Windows XP? After all, the Windows XP setup says that it's the "fastest and most stable" Windows yet, so some of us XP users are going to feel a little shafted.

    As for improvements for OEMs? Does this mean that they can put even more spyware into base installations?

    jmazner wrote:
    It would take many pages to answer quesiton #3 -- I will look around to see if there's anything on the public ms.com web site that tries to summarize it all.


    Whilst I'm sure that some of the kernel features are pretty nifty (new audio and networking stacks, for instance), might I ask why these improvements were necessary in the first place?

    ...Why, in this day and age, even with Windows XP, are display drivers not in User mode, for example?

    (It's pretty obvious that I'm not going to be upgrading to Windows "PVP-POP" Vista any time soon Smiley )

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    AndyC

    W3bbo wrote:

    We've had powerful imaging and deployment tools since the Windows 9x days, they just weren't officially supported by Microsoft (somewhere in the MCSE it says to roll out a base installation and distribute applications over AD when it's really just easier to roll out a HDD image)



    Sorry, but that's nonsense. Imaging 95 boxes was hopelessly unreliable. And it is better to distribute applications using AD (or SMS) than plain HD imaging - the ability to manage those installations after deployment is very important in the real world. Managing a large number of different images is unnecessarily time consuming and usually unworkable.

     
    W3bbo wrote:

    As for OS stability... shouldn't that have been a priority with Windows XP? After all, the Windows XP setup says that it's the "fastest and most stable" Windows yet, so some of us XP users are going to feel a little shafted.


    Why? Windows XP is the fastest and most stable yet. Doesn't mean future versions can't improve upon that. In fact I'd be worried if they didn't.

    W3bbo wrote:

    ...Why, in this day and age, even with Windows XP, are display drivers not in User mode, for example?


    Yes, it'd be great if the current version of any OS did everything you could ever want in the best possible way ever, wouldn't it?

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    jmazner

    W3bbo wrote:

    I find the "music" and "picture" bits in shells a little patronising and a bad attempt at shoe-horning people into doing things a certain way. I don't like it when the shell has a "Buy music online" button, I see it as an advertisement.

    I also feel the new start menu and UI paradigms are a step backwards in usability.

    Fair enough.  There's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all UI, so instead designers tend to aim for a feature set that's great for the largest sub-group of users possible, while either not getting in the way or being customizable for the rest.  Also keep in mind that the team here is constantly working on usability and you can expect to see plenty of refinements before the product ships. 

    W3bbo wrote:

    We've had powerful imaging and deployment tools since the Windows 9x days, they just weren't officially supported by Microsoft (somewhere in the MCSE it says to roll out a base installation and distribute applications over AD when it's really just easier to roll out a HDD image)

    Well, I'm not an expert here since I've never worked in an IT department.  But I'm told that the IT features here really are a big step forward.

    W3bbo wrote:

    As for OS stability... shouldn't that have been a priority with Windows XP? After all, the Windows XP setup says that it's the "fastest and most stable" Windows yet, so some of us XP users are going to feel a little shafted.
    ...
    Whilst I'm sure that some of the kernel features are pretty nifty (new audio and networking stacks, for instance), might I ask why these improvements were necessary in the first place?

    ...Why, in this day and age, even with Windows XP, are display drivers not in User mode, for example?

    If only XP had acheived perfection, then there would never be a need for any other release of any operating system ever again! Wink 

    XP is a great OS, and made huge improvements over the Win9x era.  check out a few of the statistics Jim Allchin highlighted at the XP launch (look for "There are many reasons why Windows XP sets the new standard").  But XP isn't perfect, and the entire industry has learned a lot since 2000 about how to build even more secure, reliable systems.  Some of that learning went into the XP SP2 release.  A ton of it went into the Vista release, and so Vista will be demonstrably better than XP in these key areas.

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    Sven Groot

    AndyC wrote:
    Why? Windows XP is the fastest and most stable yet.

    Actually, the installer says it's "the fastest and most reliable Windows ever," implying that no more improvements will be made ever again. I don't understand why they left that in because it was bugged during the beta and it's also not the first Windows installation to make that mistake.

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    xaep

    AdityaG wrote:
    1. Do not listen to "experts" talking about Vista
    2. Try to stay away from Paul Thurrott's "super"site. This is the person who compared Windows Vista Beta 1 to Mac OSX "Tiger" (i.e. a first beta to a complete, released OS). I am sorry Paul, you need to find some logic and cram it into your head.
    3. Watch all the channel 9 videos on Vista. There is a lot of new stuff underneath.

    As I go through the Vista section :
    1. Almost completely rewritten audio stack
    2. rewritten networking stack
    3. Avalon
    4. Indigo (sort of part of networking but the framework is new)
    5. IE7(I know a lot of us already use firefox, including me, but it would be nice to have a browser that works well out of the box.. and looks quite nice)
    6. WMP11
    6.1. Windows Mail (i.e. new spankin' outlook)
    6.2. Windows Photos app (don't remember exact name)
    6.3...? Other new win apps like Calendar etc.
    7. Some sort of updated MSI (I may not be giving enough credit here.. didn't watch that video too closely)
    8. Sidebar anyone?
    9. Aero Glass (a lot of people hate this for god knows what reason... personal preference though I guess)
    10. New fonts, upgraded Cleartype system
    11. Better support for internationalization, if you need it
    12. Better printing support!
    13. Better terminal services
    14. New Crypto "framework" (not a framework really..but yeah)
    15. New Shell! Virtual Folders etc.
    16. RSS! RSS! RSS! RSS! (as scoble would say if he was steve balmer )
    17. Some new kernel stuff? (have to watch that video again, a lot of it went over my head *whoosh*)

    And probably a lot more. But hell after new shell, aero, audio and networking stack I was hooked.

    Cheers,
    Aditya



    >16. RSS! RSS! RSS! RSS! (as scoble would say if he was steve balmer
    I want to know what this RSS will be in Vista? A build in reader?

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    Aptly Goodie

    Sven Groot wrote:
    Actually, the installer says it's "the fastest and most reliable Windows ever," implying that no more improvements will be made ever again. I don't understand why they left that in because it was bugged during the beta and it's also not the first Windows installation to make that mistake.

    My understanding of the usage here is "The fastest and most reliable Windows ever to date", which is a valid sentence and still true.

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    warren

    Check out the Windows Vista articles on Wikipedia.  I've been putting some work into building out a fairly complete list of new features in Vista... certainly not a complete list, though, and it'd be great if other in-the-know niners could contribute to the cause. Smiley

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista

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    davewood

    Don't forget built-in Speech Recognition ...

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    ZippyV

    davewood wrote:
    Don't forget built-in Speech Recognition ...

    English-only, I assume.

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