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  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    @bondsbw: It's kind of strange that you accuse me of not reading what you wrote, but then having absolutely no problem putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say anything about any glass effect (quote?).

    For some reason you still can't grasp the concept that anti-skeuomorphic doesn't mean flat and featureless. It's kinda hard having a meaningful discussion with someone that can't grasp the basic concepts.

  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    , bondsbw wrote

    Wow, you guys sure love your strawmen.  I never said that all UIs should be a textbox and a button.

    How about we READ what I actually said:


    Does that statement say that Windows should be a textbox and a button?  Please show me exactly where I said Windows should be a textbox and a button.

    Oh I read what you said and it is very clear. You think you can apply the UI design of a simple web page to that of a desktop full of rich applications.

    As I said, you clearly don't do any real work on a computer so excuse me while I no longer take anything you say serious.

  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    @bondsbw: Are you really going to continue and equate a desktop environment with a web page containing a text box and a button?

    That certainly takes you out of this discussion.

  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    , bondsbw wrote


    It's not even like Microsoft invented clean UI.  Google took over search just by offering a textbox and a button.  Facebook took over social media by specifically limiting all the noise on their site and building on clean, basic UI.  Both eventually added more features, but only after very careful thoughts on design and consideration of performance and whether new features are actually valuable.

    From the above statement it is obvious that you don't do any real work on a computer. If you did you certainly would not compare the desktop to a web page. Worse, you probably equate an "application" with a web page too. Maybe that is MS's problem... They got web developers to design a desktop UI.

    For those of us that need to do real work using real applications on the desktop (IOW, not a web page with a single text box and a single button), what we have now is a significant step backwards. I already listed many reasons why this is the case, and those have nothing to do with aesthetics.

  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    , magicalclick wrote

    Death of WP really has little to do with Win10, so, that's not get mixed up.

    It certainly has a lot to do with it because W10 was Metrofied in order to be just like WP, and if that very same WP dies, then what was the point exactly?

    Don't tell me it is to support touch screens, because touch screens on the desktop is just as hip as 3D TVs. IOW, not at all.

    And it isn't tablets either, because I have a Surface Pro 3 and it is useless as a tablet simply because the apps aren't there. How many more years should I wait so I can use it as an actual tablet? 5? 10? The irony is that the one and only app I do find useful on it in tablet mode is OneNote, but not the crippled Store version, no, the desktop version. Go figure...

  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    , bondsbw wrote


    WIndows 10 has faster boot times, better performance overall, better power management


    more informative and configurable start m...


    Cortana, the action center, notifications, improved design (many people like it regardless of what you personally think)

    More appear not to like it compared to the number of Kool-Aid drinking fanboys who do.

    improved Explorer

    Seems to be pretty buggy to me. There are quite a few threads right here on C9 complaining about how crappy it is. WP the same thing. Bugged as hell. It even crashes on MSNBC. MS's own browser, running on their own OS, crashing on their own website. Worse, I've had it crash many times on MSDN too. At work I now use FF for this reason alone.

     universal applications

    Haven't found a single Store app that is actually worth the wasted disk space.

    better Xbox integration, better Microsoft account integration and desktop syncing

    Maybe, but I just had a horrible experience updating my CC info on this fancy new integrated account. It accepted my new CC for Xbox Live and Groove, but refused to accept it for Office 365. Had to call in and waste almost an hour while they tried to figure out why the CC didn't show up at all for Office 365 as a payment option (and they are all 3 on the same subscription page!).

    multiple desktops


    improved snap

    For people using real applications, going to a more restricted way of multitasking isn't a step forward.

    native ISO mounting and disk burning, game DVR, security improvements...

    Agreed, nice.

    Windows 10 includes some stuff that people wanted.

    Accept desktop users didn't ask to have the UI f^ched up just to make it look, feel and work like a phone UI. It's one thing to add options for those that like a toy UI, but it is something completely different to take away something that used to work perfectly well and replace it with a toy UI that has serious UX issues for many use cases.

    Doesn't anyone have any pride left in what they do anymore? I honestly can't see how any MS employee can be proud of what Windows has been reduced into.

  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    , TexasToast wrote

    Why cant they at least offer a theme that fixes some of these problems for a short term solution?

    You have to consider that MS doesn't see this as a problem at all. So they aren't going to provide a long term solution, let alone a short term solution.

  • I'm not happy with Windows 10 (details inside) - am I missing something?

    Pretty old thread but now that you brought this up again...

    The sad part to me is that the Windows UI had to be Metrofied, fuglyfied and reduced to a sad UX in an attempt to... chase a dead phone platform!!

    Great Plan!!! Take a desktop UI that has been tried, tested and refined for 25 years and replace it with a designed-for-finger-operation phone UI that never even had any overlapping windows to begin with.

    I already complained in another thread how W10 doesn't work well with a 40" 4K display due to the difficulty with UI elements blending together, making it hard to work with many overlapping windows.

    Not to mention other issues like all icons losing their uniqueness due to the flat design, making them hard to recognize, memorize and use effectively. You can only come up with so many unique basic shapes. Now I need to mouse over icons to see what they do, even when I've used them before since they all look so similar.

    Half the time I don't even know what controls are available because I'm required to first mouse over a sea of monochrome squares, lines and circles to see what lights up. Before I could tell instantly what I can interact with, where one thing ends and another starts.

    Horrible UX.

  • Windows 10 + 4K Monitor - Painful

    Now things got worse. I'm currently migrating my work comp from W7 to W10. So in addition to W10 making it hard to distinguish many overlapping windows from each other due to the flat theme, RDP doesn't show drop shadows at all, regardless of the RDP settings.

    This is going to be painful. I hope MS allows 3rd party theming eventually so that those of us that need to do real work can have an option not to spend 30% of our brain trying to decipher what is going on on the screen.

  • Quick thought on W10M Lumia 950.


    Yes this is with a 950. Sure there isn't a long delay between pics but after 5 or so quick pics it freezes and does the "Saving..." thing. I guess it runs out of memory and needs to save to storage, which takes time given the amount of data. At that time it freezes for about 8 seconds showing "Saving...".