6 hours ago, bondsbw wrote
@magicalclick: Let's look at Wikipedia's definition of internet trolling:
And let me be clear... I mentioned WTWF because he was the most recent example. He is not the only one. Trolls can be on either side of the aisle. Several good topics have been trolled into oblivion. Good discussion can turn sour and become nothing but ad hominem attacks.
I almost agree with what you said here but I think the dynamic is more like troll vs. apologist as apologists can fan the flames of the discussion without trolling.
I'd also like to suggest to the group as a whole that we need to try and stay neutral and objective in our discussions rather than say everyone has to spin their response to the positive. It would also help if people would take things less personally. Just because you don't like what someone's opinion is doesn't mean you have to label them as being negative or a troll. The hard part is in taking the high road and letting it go even when someone is being overly trollish or apologetic.
2 hours ago, bondsbw wrote
@NoelCarboni: While I am also dubious about the ability for Microsoft to deliver the absolute best version of Windows 10 imaginable by summer, I'm not so worried now that their cycle has changed from "every feature that will be released must be released upon launch day" to "we will continue to improve by adding features and making changes in response to requests by users".
When Microsoft released the half-baked W8 and WP to the world how was it received? It was rejected and deemed a failure. IMO it was because Microsoft did not provide anything better than what the competition was offering. In a lot of ways what they were offering was worse -- with some people suggesting we cut Microsoft some slack as it took Android x number of years to penetrate the market so why not give Microsoft the same amount of time. Well history has been written and no amount of time has change the failures that have been W8 and WP -- regardless of how cool some of the technology and IU/UX it provided.
Now Microsoft is about to pull the same stunt -- releasing a beta as production software and hoping the world will believe once again that Microsoft will make it better some time in the future.
People can say "Apple and Google do it so why not Microsoft?" but that kind of reasoning ignores the fact that people judge Microsoft in-and-of-itself and not based on any other companies' track record or way they conduct business. Microsoft needs to produce products and services that people want in-and-of-themselves rather than blame the lack of acceptance because people are not being fair when they judge Microsoft's work. In some ways it seems Microsoft gets it (i.e. embracing Android, iOS, Linux and the like with their products and services without concern for Windows) but when it comes to Windows itself they can't seem to get it right.
In any case have a great weekend bondsbw and the rest of you too.