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DeathByVisualStudio DeathBy​VisualStudio If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
  • What in the world is wrong with this guy?

    @evildictaitor: LOL! Not only am I smiling but I'm laughing. Thanks EvilD.

    You'll need to send me more than $10. I'll need payment for tech support for various friends and relatives who will have to wade through OEM crapware when they want to watch a DVD or make one rather than point them to the built in stuff. Maybe I should be more like you and tell them to "just deal with it".

    No doubt life is not fair but it doesn't mean Microsoft gets a free break because of it. You make excuses for Microsoft and I call them on it. Not everyone gets off on believing in unicorns and fairies.

    And while on the subject of fantasy can you believe I do post positive things about Microsoft when they do something good? OMG! The horror!


  • What in the world is wrong with this guy?

    , AndyC wrote


    If you want to argue the case that the volume licensed versions of Windows (XP Pro and Vista Enterprise) are unlikely to be the ones sold in the largest quantities then be my guest....

    Sorry, you make the spin you can do the work. I'm not arguing anything.

    However if you really want to go down that road, you also have to exclude every PC that also shipped with some OEM DVD software included too, which is pretty much every PC in the last decade regardless of whether or not it was an edition that would have shipped with a codec or not

    Wow more fact based truths. I see a lot of numbers in there Andy. Let's see if I say it more strongly that it must be true?

    (I've lost track of how many thousands of Dell discs of DVD player software I personally had to bin). Just as every Windows 8 PC that ships with a DVD drive will, in all likelyhood, also ship with some DVD software.

    "Likelyhood" -- wow that really made a believer out of me. Let me try that: "In all likelihood Windows 8 will piss people off because their DVD drives won't play video nor will they be able to record DVDs of their home movies for Uncle Fred." Wow! It works! That's a powerful word Andy. Thanks; I'll add it to the list:

    • Disingenuous
    • Likelihood

    Check and check!

    Also I agree with you; the DVD player and recording software included on PCs by the OEM is crap. So Microsoft is fine with the user experience for DVD playback and recording going to crap. I'm glad we agree on something here.

    The average punter out there will simply never, ever, notice the difference. Heck most people don't even realise that Office isn't part of Windows, FFS.

    Until they go to open an email attachment that requires Word or in this new case play a DVD on their W8 PC or go to burn their Movie Maker home video to DVD.


  • How to get Potty Mouth Acheivement

    @cbae: +1000. And who said comments in code were worthless?

  • What in the world is wrong with this guy?

    @AndyC: C'mon Andy you really need to try harder. It's all about the people this decision effects. You need to back that up with quantity sold to determine how many units included the decoder and hence how many people are affected. And if I really wanted to nit-pick I say you'd also have to average in the number of users who would share a copy (i.e. a household with an HP TouchSmart computer shared by and average of 3 household members.)

  • How to get Potty Mouth Acheivement

    All of the words in the parser for the award have been replaced by *. Smiley

  • What in the world is wrong with this guy?

    , AndyC wrote


    Prior to Windows 7, most SKUs shipped without DVD codecs and required the purchase of additional software. That's still just an unarguable fact, I'm afraid.

    So inarguable that you haven't provided any facts other than "because you say so".


    I'm glad I taught you a new word, you're making lots of effort to use it, however I don't think it means what you think it does.

    "lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous;" Yeah that's what I'm saying. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

  • How to get Potty Mouth Acheivement

    I think it's a new award that hasn't been implemented yet. They're waiting for the release of this. It will measure the quality and intensity of your cursing at the screen and award you accrodingly.

  • Rebranding continues...

    Just and idea: for those that make the decision on branding must be branded with the name they choose. That might help cut down on the lengthily names they've used in the past (more painful) as well as make them think long and hard about what they want permanently scorched into their hides.

  • Visual Studio Updates

    @wkempf: You must have had an encounter with the Borg. Do those implants itch? I'm just curious. Smiley

  • What in the world is wrong with this guy?

    , AndyC wrote


    No, I'm just apparently the only person left who still remembers how awful Vista's "and above" was, because you essentially had two completely separate streams with incompatible feature sets that didn't merge until "Ultimate edition", making certain combinations a right pain in the *. As it was the only version "above" Home Premium was Ultimate, because the Business and Enterprise releases were somewhere else.

    And since Home Premium was essentially the Vista SKU of XP MCE, it contained a DVD decoder in the same way MCE did.

    But let's not let facts get in the way, eh?

    So the fact was that Microsoft included the DVD recorder with Vista. You initially tried to defend Microsoft's decision by minimizing the scope of the change to just Windows 7. And now you try and further skew the facts by polluting them with how you didn't like Microsoft's break down of the skus. The fact is the change has a broader scope than the narrow one you defined.

    , evildictaitor wrote


    That's a bit rich coming from you. He asked a question, I answered it.

    Hardly. Answering it in the "your holding it wrong" tone is pretty disingenuous.