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  • Office Customer Preview Available

    It just struck me that at least Outlook 2013 reminds me of WM6.5 -- skinned better for touch (and metro-fied) but still the same old Outlook under the hood. Not that Outlook is bad or anything but on a tablet it still feels kind of wonky without mouse & keyboard. I'm looking forward to trying the metro OneNote on the tablet. Hope they release that soon.

  • Office Customer Preview Available

    Yes the install experience was fantastic! No problems on my Build tablet running W8 RP. Like butter...

    First impressions:

    1. Love the Send a Smile/Frown reporting system; screen captures are a big plus.
    2. Someone here once said that they never had seen a good implementation of metro in a desktop application. Well in my strictly, subjective opinion I'd have to say that still holds true (Zune aside). This feels like they stripped all of the chrome out, removed most of the colors, minimized everything, and ALL CAPS'd the menus and tada now you have a metro app.
    3. I hope they include sunglasses with the final release -- too much white & bright.
    4. Like the initial releases of VS 2012 there's not enough contrast or color and it's hard for me (just me mind you) to easily find UI elements.
    5. The "minimize everything" approach is also hampering my productivity/discovery. In trying to reply to an email I found it annoying that what I thought was the reply button was the undo button instead. I had to expose the messages ribbon to hit reply. Looks like "More Clicks in Every Box" or "Only Wussies Don't Know The Shortcut Keys". Sure you can reconfigure the interface (more than I can say for W8's missing desktop features Wink ) but the out-of-box experience is disturbing.
    6. I do like the smooth cursor movement that Charles mentioned -- now that's super sexy.
    7. Glad to see Outlook utilizes W8's notifications. Now if there was only a central list of all notifications like on Apple and Android devices... (keep in mind I'm on a tablet here).
    8. The touch mode is a nice addition for tablet users.

     

  • The long road to the Start Screen

    , MasterPie wrote

    *snip*

    Which is why the desktop is there.

    Which brings us back to the start screen...now part of the desktop.

  • The long road to the Start Screen

    , MasterPie wrote

    *snip*

    and it is the designer's responsibility to figure that piece out. Designers and HCI experts will listen to users' concerns, but will base most of their assessments and ideas on the actual tasks that they perform and those actual issues they observe, for the point of UI design is to optimize those tasks.

    True but that also assumes the designer (like the developer) really understands the user story, use case, etc. It also assumes that the designer's work isn't hobbled for some other agenda that a decision maker like Sinofsky has in mind.

    IMO, W8's Metro environment certainly isn't optimized to perform tasks using a mouse & keyboard.

  • The long road to the Start Screen

    , brian.shapiro wrote

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    The Media Center in Windows isn't a 10 foot UX.

    Sure it is.

    And for argument's sake let's say you're right that it isn't a 10 foot UX; MS should treat metro like Media Center -- as an app that can be loaded at startup or optionally be the shell for those use cases where it makes sense (i.e. a tablet).

    , brian.shapiro wrote

    *snip*

    But why are we talking about replacing the desktop? Microsoft has said the Desktop is here to stay,.

    And that's why the orb and start menu have been replaced by a metro UI... Sorry but I don't need a Bob front-end to my desktop. And what about desktop development? WPF or Silverlight going anywhere other than being mothballed? Actions speak louder than words in my book.

     

  • The long road to the Start Screen

    , brian.shapiro wrote

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    The funny thing is that I see a lot of the same people who complain about Metro also complain that Media Center is being taken out. Metro is bad, but Media Center is good?

    No, Media Center as a 10 foot UI is great, not as a the eventual successor to the desktop. A good consumption UI doesn't necessarily make a good content creation UI.

  • Office content bodies randomly skewed

    @davewill: In Vista I've experienced something like that with Outlook when I had the Outlook gadgets running on the desktop. The content and the chrome got all wonky and you could do nothing but kill the app and restart it. I reported it to Microsoft via the forums and they said it was a known problem with the APIs that the gadgets were using. Like your experience it would only happen when the window was inactive.

    Just this week my debugging broke for web stuff in VS (at least with Cassini). If I manually attached the debugger to the process when the breakpoint was hit VS would go wonky just like my past experience with Outlook. I'm sure it's totally unrelated but an interesting similar behavior none the less.

    Video driver updates fixed neither of these problems unfortunately.

  • The long road to the Start Screen

    , aL3891 wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    As for general flexibility and customization, even you cant argue that the start menu is more customizable than the start screen...

    I don't disagree with you there. The start menu is much more customizable than the start screen. And when you add gadgets to the mix it's even more powerful.

    , AndyC wrote

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    You might make more informed comments if you tried that first.

    My summary is very well informed thank you. Sorry if I didn't give you a full and concise list of things you can apologize for.

    , AndyC wrote

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    It's a very well written article.

    I'm glad you agree. You know I did say "Great post BTW." but you probably didn't catch that getting all riled up that I said something negative about Microsoft. 

  • The long road to the Start Screen

    , aL3891 wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    The start screen is the polar opposite of bob.. The startscreen is about user content and the OS ui getting out of the way of that. Bob was about wrapping everything in a cartoony dumbed down layer of "multi media" 

    Thanks for playing though.

    While the shape may be different the constraining nature of the start screen and the rest of the Metro side of W8 is similar to Bob when compared to the flexibility offer by the desktop.

  • The long road to the Start Screen

    @PaoloM: Since you're so smart you must be right. If I many be so bold as to quote you, "here's a cookie".