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  • Cliplets

    @Maddus Mattus: Reminds me of the dude here (whose name I forget) who has the bouncing cat avatar. (I love his avatar BTW). I wonder if C9 will support cliplets for avatars in the future? Smiley

  • Making money with metro apps

    @PaoloM:

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    FFS - why would you want to use an API built for interacting with Metro on the desktop? WinRT is built for metro to make interacting with metro easier. The ONLY stuff you can do with WinRT that you can't do on the desktop, is interact with Metro.

    Complaining that you can't use WinRT except in Metro is like complaining that you can't draw circles and boxes from console programs. Or like complaining that you can't write a driver in HTML5. It kind of completely misses the point.

    LOL. Defender to the end...

    No kidding. My point was there is a lot not said in the diagram. Paolo's points could easily be inverted and still hold true.

    Hey EvilD, did you hear they are adding support for plugins back into Metro IE? OMGz! Devil

  • Making money with metro apps

    @PaoloM:

    And where does it say I can't use WinRT with my desktop apps? The WinRT box is right next to the desktop apps boxes.

  • Future of programming in Windows Server 2012, IIS

    There's nothing like a Lite Beer...

  • The Windows 8 challenge

    What I really hate is the idea that Microsoft can screw things up because "there's always the desktop version" of some app whenever they screw up something that used to work well. It makes Metro seem like one big experiment. The desktop is Microsoft's doormat.

  • What Microsoft team handles the desktop gadget ​infrastruct​ure?

    I'm pretty sure they closed up shop. I don't believe you can post any more gadgets in the gallery.

  • You guys realise ASP.NET, WebAPI, Razor and more went open source?

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    This could be the pre-cursor to open sourcing Silverlight. Hell, anything is possible at this point.

    This little tidbit completely slipped past me until I watched a 2 month-old episode of Windows Weekly just this morning. If this becomes reality, it shows that Microsoft isn't averse to FOSS as long as the "free" isn't necessarily "free as in beer". If they can make money off Linux, they'll support it. After all, why should big hardware companies like IBM and HP be the only ones to leverage Linux for revenue? Microsoft might have found a way to do it with Azure.

    I hope you're right. That makes a lot of sense. And maybe finally the computer will be the network. Smiley

  • You guys realise ASP.NET, WebAPI, Razor and more went open source?

    That's a smart move. Nice job Microsoft. More clients for Azure (and yes I know ASP.NET can be used without Azure). Kind of like the razor blade model but in reverse where they lease the handle. I hope that works for them.

    I do wonder if spiv's hunch has some merit though. Instead of outright dumping ASP.NET like they did WPF/SL they appease devs by making it open source. I don't really believe that's the case but I think it's fair speculation. The good news is that if that is the case then Microsoft is learning from their mistakes. Another win for Microsoft.

  • Making money with metro apps

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    You said that the desktop was dead - that Metro is the future, and that Microsoft will take a cut from all future programs written for Metro. These are simply not true. Win32 and the desktop are still very much first class citizens in Microsoft Windows.

    *snip*

    What on earth are you talking about? Microsoft invests more into .NET, C/C++ and Win32 than ever before. The fact that they are also investing in WinRT is besides the point. WinRT is a more not a replacement to the existing languages and frameworks for Windows.

    *snip*

    There is nothing to apologise for. You're inventing reasons to dislike them. I might dislike the Metro UI and dislike the direction that the Win8-appstore is going in. But unlike you, I try to give everything a chance and keep my objections to Windows based on my actual experiences of it, not hysterical news articles that just make s*it up to sell stories before even trying it.

    TBH it is a much more sad way to live by getting all hot-under-the-collar for every hysterical news-article that comes along instead of just living your own life and forming your own opinions.

    This is pointless. You make $hit up and ignore what you don't want to hear and then claim the same from me. I can invert everything you said and it would be just as true. We'll see who's closer to the truth in about a year from now. As much as I'd like to see WP selling like hotcakes and W8 looking like a follow up success I doubt that will be the case a year from now.

  • Making money with metro apps

    That's funny. That's not the same as saying "Win32s are dead". That's your misinterpretation. I highly advise you check out http://www.rif.org/. You need some help there.

    *snip*

    WinRT is a subset of Win32. Win32 is available on the desktop. Hence anything that WinRT can do, Win32 can do. Until you recognise this, all of your objections won't have a point that makes sense.

    *snip*

    No major gymnastics are needed to do any WinRT stuff on the desktop. My suggestion of bouncing stuff off a stub Metro app was just a proof-of-concept that literally anything a WinRT app can do, a Win32 app on the desktop can also do. If you want to do share and search contracts on the desktop, just create the appropriate COM object that exposes it and call it's publically exposed methods. That's what WinRT is doing under the hood.

    *snip*

    And I can still write in machine code too. It's pretty clear that's not where Microsoft is investing it's dollars for developer tools, frameworks, et al.  

    Sounds more like you've got an axe to grind with Microsoft and will actively invent reasons why you think <insert-Microsoft-product-here> sucks, despite any evidence that your problems with it are only in your mind. If you want to hate at Microsoft, do it for a real reason. Not one you've made up.

    Sounds more like you have an unbalanced desire to apologize for Microsoft at every turn. That's a pretty sad way to live.