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DeathByVisualStudio DeathBy​VisualStudio If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , bondsbw wrote


    If we can all agree to keep on topic, then I think we would be more civilized and probably find that we agree on a lot more than not.

    I agree but the civility argument has also been used to dismiss valid points time and time again. I'm not saying you're doing with this post. I am saying that "civility" or "you're arguing it wrong" are used to dismiss a valid point it only serves to fuel the fire and is just as pointless as someone's mile long rant.

    A lot of the time we (all of us) go round and round here because no one wants to provide any validation whatsoever of the other guys' points even when they're so obviously correct. That's when I find myself repeating points -- as if rephrasing or adding more detail would provide the missing piece that would cause the detractors' to finally understand.

    Sure there are people hear who just like to argue -- on both sides of the spectrum -- but I think if we all tried harder to recognize and acknowledge the other guy's opinion things would be much more civil.



  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , kettch wrote

    This thread seems to crop up every few months with the same basic structure, and different key words.

    It's not because "the sky is falling"; it's because Microsoft keeps screwing up Windows, Windows Phone, etc. But of course ignorance is bliss...

  • Microsoft taking aim at Linux servers?

    , cbae wrote


    I don't think they meant "Modern Apps" (i.e. apps formerly known as "Metro Apps"), if that's what you're thinking. I think what they really meant was "modern applications" (i.e. non-legacy/non-Win32 applications that run managed-code and/or are designed with the cloud in mind).

    Dammit Cbae they're called "Windows Apps" now, not "Modern Apps" (nor "Universal Apps"). W32s apps are called "Windows Desktop Apps" (a.k.a. "legacy apps"). Get with the program! Jeeze Louise!

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote


    Malware is over the top, but nagware it is and I stand behind that claim.

    Well you're close: You're over the top and you're worse than nagware with all of your FUD.

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , BitFlipper wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: I would generally agree however has MS's mobile strategy been successful enough to keep pushing down this path? Their Windows Store is a joke, and while Surface Pro 3 has been somewhat successful it makes up only a tiny percentage of mobile devices out there.

    I bought a SP3 partly because I wanted to use it as a tablet. However I found out the hard way that SP3 makes a horrible tablet due to the abysmal state of the Store. The app selection is extremely bad, and as such one cannot really use it as a tablet. I ended up buying an iPad Air 2 to fulfil my tablet requirements, and use my SP3 as a laptop only.

    So MS bet the farm on mobile and decided to effectively abandon the desktop since the money is in mobile and Store app sales. Since that failed, maybe MS should go back to making the desktop a first-class citizen (read: no Metro), and milk that for as long as they still can. We all know the desktop as we know it will eventually go away, but MS is killing off a cash cow prematurely for something else that has clearly failed. By the time they finally give up this failed strategy, there would be much less of the desktop left to milk.

    I didn't say Microsoft's strategy has been successful; it's been an abysmal failure. 

    Right now I'd say they were back on track in rebooting the desktop, WPF, etc. Regardless of strategy the problem is no one trusts them anymore. That's why they need to continue with the second prong in the strategy: Windows vNext with all of the Metro stuff that's cross device. Why? Because at this point it really doesn't hurt anything and is the only hope they have in a future for Windows. Fortunate for them they still have Office, Azure, and all of their SaaS stuff to fall back on.

    IMO as for "Windows development" I think we seen the end of the road for some time. If they buy up Xamarin and include that in their tool set they may have a chance in bringing people over to develop for iOS, Android, and UAs for Windows. They've been pretty savvy in extending VS to include support for Apache Cordova, Unity, and the like. They just need to seal the deal with Xamarin.  

  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote


    Because it's false advertising. This update sounds exactly like the usual "resolves issues" bulletins. If it would be in the optional category (or at least put up a confirmation screen on installation like some updates do) and if the description would clearly say what it is about (W10 announcer/downloader) then it would be ok.

    But what they did is bullshit and it's on the playing field as all the other scammers. How can I trust Microsoft's "malware removal tools" and what not if they use the same slime-tactics when it fits them.

    If something get's smuggled into the system because of a missleading description and puts up a nag screen, it's the textbook example of nagware.

    So you've decided all by yourself that you can change the definition of malware. The next thing you're gonna tell us is that when users select "cancel" when the "upgrade to W10" prompt appears that Microsoft will send them an auto-response email saying they've locked all of the users pictures and won't give them back until they upgrade or pay Microsoft $1M. 

    Dude, get over yourself.


  • There is no escape from the suck-train!

    While it may be a tad sneaky I don't see why you'd call this malware. It doesn't force the users to do anything nor changes their system in any way. It's just going to pop up when W10 is available and offer to upgrade people for free. I'm sure they'll provide a way for sysadmins to block this advertisement.

    Despite how I feel about W10 I'm all for getting as many people as possible on the same, modern version of Windows. Universal Apps and all of the cross device support they bring will go no where until they do (and even if they succeed will still go nowhere if is resembles anything like what they are showing today because there is little to no added value for consumers or businesses. One size does not fit all!!!)

    IMO, Microsoft has long ago screwed up the trust they use to have with businesses, LOB devs, and desktop application support. Furthermore with mobile dev taking center stage there's no point in hanging onto the W7/XP legacy. There's also the big push to move everything to the cloud. Sure they should continue to support WPF, Winforms, and the like but I don't think you'll ever see a resurgence of green-field projects using those technologies. I'm afraid it's mobile and the web for now as Microsoft poisoned the well and their strategies have failed.

    In summary: Microsoft might as well...

  • VB may finally become usable language

    , jinx101 wrote


    You can't very well speak to my incompetence when you've never seen a line of code I've written.  You on the other hand have clearly demonstrated (I would venture to say once again) that you're one of those blow hards who nobody likes to work with because you're arrogant, insulting, rude and obnoxious.  There is no right way but you're way and if people don't choose to do things as you do them they are automatically "incompetent". 

    I sure haven't seen a line of your code but you've never worked on a project with me either. Nevertheless you have no problems making assumptions about my character to which my response went from a general statement to specific to you. 

    , jinx101 wrote

    VB source code:Only shows your peers why you should find a new career. (Are you one of those programmers whose always telling people what they should and shouldn't do and what they should and shouldn't use and how they should and shouldn't use it even when they clearly don't care what you're saying because nobody really likes to be told what to think?) 

    , jinx101 wrote


    Respond if you want, I won't be reading it,  I'm taking off from this forum for a while.  Not worth my time getting worked up by obnoxious trolls like yourself (and you are).

    Sorry jinx, but according to your own conduct here you're just as much as a troll. Happy trails...

  • VB may finally become usable language

    , jinx101 wrote

    VB source code:

    • The syntax for modern elements of .NET like lambdas sucks -- hard. (meh, it's just what you're used to, I kind of like, it has a SQL like feel and I <3 SQL).

    So what you're really saying is that anyone can get used to eating cat sh1t.

    • Only shows your peers why you should find a new career. (Are you one of those programmers whose always telling people what they should and shouldn't do and what they should and shouldn't use and how they should and shouldn't use it even when they clearly don't care what you're saying because nobody really likes to be told what to think?) 

    On the contrary: I'm one of those programmers who ends up cleaning up the !#@!#$&^! mess after guys like you who never really learned how to write software because you can't shake your dependence on VB's overly verbose syntax. Guys like you rely on VB to fortify your incompetence resulting in miles of spaghetti code in giant classes. This of course makes following your code near impossible and maintenance a nightmare. 

    • Is of the devil. (I don't have anything for this one).

    Because it's a fact to which there is no argument. (6)

  • VB may finally become usable language

    , figuerres wrote



    really ?

    VB is Like COBOL in some ways, there are places where it is the way they do stuff and will be for a long time - possibly forever.

    I'm cool with that as long as they remove the VB.NET project templates for Visual Studio. :)

    with .net the difference between C# and VB is the source code not what happens when you run it.

    Source code matters. Once VB gets in your source code it's like genital herpes -- you cannot get rid of it.

    VB source code:

    1. Is overly verbose and take too long to write
    2. Is overly verbose and is hard to read
    3. The syntax for modern elements of .NET like lambdas sucks -- hard.
    4. Only shows your peers why you should find a new career.
    5. Is of the devil.

    There's only one place for VB and that's in the newest version of the recycle bin in the W10 preview. Those two belong together.