@Eul3r You couldn't have said better! C9 should have a question rating capability! (y) I'm a C++ developer with 3 years of VC++ compiler use! In this small time, I have come to the same conclusions, just by looking at, for instance, the C++11 conformance on VC++! The fact that Microsoft is a company that sells the compiler, exposes even more the problem with the delay in shipping a feature like C++11, and how much Microsoft cares about the C++! But I understand! The big guys on the company probably say things like these: "Forget about native C++! It's Herb business ( meaning, the Standards Committee )! Let's focus on Xbox, C# .Net and Windows 8!" Herb is doing an amazing job in the WG21, which is awesome, and it is what brings us to an inevitable question: What would be of native C++ on VC++ compiler if he wasn't at Microsoft? :O Makes me sad think about all of this!