I live and work in the UK, the problem about saying "no one pays retail" is that a lot of the discounts are only for USA based developers. The discounts that are valid in the UK are very hard to find, just try finding out the prices of ISV advantage in the
UK, they are not on the main English Microsoft web site. Unlike a developer from a none English speaking county, I normally only every use the Microsoft.com web size. (USA only content should be on “Microsoft.co.usa”)
I work in a small company (ISV); we have just moved to subversion (from CVS) for source code control and use an open source bug tracking system that we are not too unhappy with. We use CrouseControl.Net for automatic builds. Therefore it is the "desktop"
tools that are of most interest to us. I think every developer should get basic testing tools.
a) A cut down web load testing tools, I don’t mind if it is limited to a few "virtual users", provided that the tool is very easy to use. I do not want to have to code “view state” into my test scripts. (50 "virtual users" is more then enough for a normal
b) A UI testing tools that works!. I do not mind having the test management framework in the "tester" version of MSDEV, provided a developer can records and playback a single UI test script. (I need to be able to replay a test script that the test team
has recorded to demonstrate a bug.)
c) I do not care about unit testing, nUnit and TestDriven.Net is good enough! We are using it at present and it does the job. (However it would be good if all Microsoft based developers in the world know how to use the same unit testing framework, so as
to cut down the cost of retaining as people move between jobs.) I hope that you have confirmed that TestDriven.Net works with MSDEV V2, as part of your testing!
The high level design tools are not of match interest, as it takes a long time to learn such tools and the fact that they are designed for in house development means they are not of match use to an ISV. Give the small size of our teams; if the system high
level design is to complex to fit on a white board, then it is too complex for us to ship in a reasonable time frame. The class designer tools is great! I am very happy that it is included on all versions of MSDEV.
What I think I after for is a developer + small scaling testing package.
The fact that I could not even order a MSDEV beta 2 DVD in the UK at the same time as it started shipping in the US give me the message the Microsoft does not value me as I am a UK a based developer.
You can now order the DVD in the uk from www.microsoft.com/betaexperience
Ian Ringrose <- email address on web site