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  • The Windows OOBE is horrible - worse than ever before!

    , elmer wrote

    *snip*

    I guess that's why they are working on the "RefreshTool"

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_repair/now-available-start-fresh-with-a-clean-install-of/55a2f3c7-4795-4685-b3ee-20187684c511

    Currently only available for Insiders, but apparently will be built into the Anniversary edition.

    I don't know what they are talking about there.

    Media Creation Tool already creates a "clean" ISO (with no additonal vendor components).

    That's the one with the Windows 10 own crapware that re-appears after certain updates, even when you de-install it before.

    It's amazing that this POS OS called Windows 10 will apparenty cost real money in every case in August.

    It must be the first time adware costing real substantial money.

    All this crap would only be bearable if this POS would be completely free of cost in all cases. Fitting out a whole office or household with Windows for free, with no prior licenses, and getting app recommendations, office ads, crapware resets and privacy issues in return? Worth thinking about.

    Getting all that AND paying money for each license? :'(

  • The Windows OOBE is horrible - worse than ever before!

    FFS!

    I've made an ISO (recent MS Media Creation Tool), re-installed Windows 10 "clean" (whatever that means given this OS) and removed some of Windows 10's own crapware (Get Office, Skype Video, some other built-in apps). Then I ran Windows Update.

    After Windows Update ran, those things which I have de-installed before (right-click on tile, de-install option) reappeared again!

    WHAT A CRAPWARE POS! I am really angry. Realplayer had more respect for the users than this.

    Microsoft was grilled in court over Netscape, yet they go scot free with this malware?! WTF?

    This isn't an OS, it's crapware disguising as one. I have a really bad feeling handing out that thing to my acquaintance.

    What a POS Windows 10 is. The Asus crapware was bad, but at least it won't re-install itself after an Windows Update ran.

    No amount of shill can excuse this *. They should be brought to court over this "OS". It's worse than Android regarding respect by far, and it isn't even truly free of cost despite being adware. Not to mention their malware-tactics to spread this garbage.

    I've also wanted to remove Cortana from the start menu completely, but there is no "delete" option in the all-apps menu when you right-click on something! What the hell?!

    I was able to delete everything in that sub-menu in W7. Again, what a CRAP DISRESPECTING POS 10 IS. I am so pissed off.

  • Oh come one!

    Hardcore censoring, really?

    No wonder this forum is dead now.

  • The Windows OOBE is horrible - worse than ever before!

    UH, just had a first-hand experience how Windows 10 looks like for the consumer. It's really the LAST CRAP.

    Some acquaintance brought in his newest Asus laptop for me to configure it as lean as possible. It had W10 on it. DANG.

    Of course, Windows 10 itself bombards you with stupid messages every time: Cortana, "Wi-Fi Sense", something about one drive and a whole lot of other crap. It also shoves ads and recommendations into the start menu (get office, try the facebook app). Not to mention the forced upgrades (the first shutdown took two hours or so because of them!)

    Already there Windows feels like late 90s Realplayer.

    That's bad enough in itself, yet there is also a TON of crapware from Asus installed on it as well! So in addition to the W10 crap messages, you also get a shitton of BS side-popups from the "Asus cloud", the Asus product registration McAfee, Avast (yes, it had them both: LiveSafe from McAfee, Secureline from Avast), drop box, some stupid apps and God knows what else. Then suddenly a full screen program called the "Asus Giftbox" popped up, which got stuck or something, because only the task manager was able to remove it (the application itself didn't react to inputs).

    Of course, the laptop was crawling.

    Crapware is nothing new on Windows PCs, but because this time Windows 10 itself behaves like crapware, you have DOUBLE CRAPWARE.

    I tried the built-in Windows 10 system restorer, it took hours and restored of course the full of crap installation.

    And of course, there is no Windows 10 DVD or USB stick included for a (semi-) crap-free re-installation. BLERGH.

    Had to make a ISO myself.

    The experience was HORRIBLE. Much more so than in the past with W7 crapware.

    And then they are wondering why PC sales stagnate!

    If I had no experience with PCs before, after THAT experience today, I would have run away for a mac or phone or whatever and never touch anything W10 related with a ten foot pole.

  • Nasty Microsoft

    Man, I truly miss the Gates MS. Back then they were ruthless with the competition, not the users!

    Well, yet another "NuMicrosoft" prediction of mine that was spot-on:

    https://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/More-accidental-upgrades-in-the-works

    https://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Faulty-update-time-And-again-W10

    Once a company releases user-hostile stuff like W8 or the planned original xbone 1984 edition, the forward path is clear and anything goes. Especially with some people even cheering them on at every hostile step. Looks like GWX made the kitchen finally too hot even for the most ardent enablers.

    I am pretty sure that W10 becomes a REAL PITA in the long run (more than now anyways), when W7 and W8 completely exit the market and the users will be alone with Windows 10 and the forced updater in W10.

    They are already nasty even though W10 is quite behind W7 in share and W10 is still a paid-for product in most cases (PC pre-installation), I can only imagine to what lengths the annoyance will go if it reaches 50% marketshare.

  • Hate to be proven right, yet again..

    , cheong wrote

    he has never received the box in the middle of screen forcing his upgrade. Is it "Home version only" or else?

    He will soon get the full barrage, too.

    http://www.extremetech.com/computing/217300-windows-10-will-become-an-automatic-recommended-update-next-year

  • Hate to be proven right, yet again..

    Looks like MS might have finally pissed off enough people:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/upgrade-10-class-action-lawsuit/cd4bfca3-e297-479a-a7fd-94bdf765dcc9?page=1

    http://microsoftclassactionlawsuit.com/

  • Hate to be proven right, yet again..

    , bondsbw wrote

    Like most things, it's hard to say which (NetMarketshare vs. StatCounter) is better, it depends a lot on what you are looking to measure.  

    W10's marketshare is a side-issue.

    The true issue is that MS tries to constantly shove Windows 10 down the throat, even if you said "no". Even if you said "no" multiple times.

    Patch-day became a major PITA, because I have to check every time whether any "GWX" stuff appeared and cancel it manually out if I don't want it.

    I could live with it would be a one-time procedure, but no, KB3035583 appears every two months or so, even if you blocked the previous iteration.

    This is harassment, plain and simple.  I paid for my W7 license, I want to stay on it without fighting Microsoft's updater every month to show me W10 ads or taking 6 gigs away for the W10 installer files without any confirmation.

    And now MS is even sabotaging third-party tools (like GWX Control Panel) which made Microsoft's harassment bearable.

    Incredible that this behavior is legal.

  • Hate to be proven right, yet again..

    http://betanews.com/2015/12/01/windows-10s-growth-continues-to-slow-as-windows-7-and-8-x-gain-share/

    NetMarketShare has released its usage share figures for November, and they make for interesting reading. As you would expect, Windows 10 grew its share again, but the growth rate is clearly tailing off, continuing the trend we've seen over the past few months.

    Windows 7 and 8.x users show no great rush to migrate to the new OS, with only Windows XP shedding users.

     

    XP had 11.68 percent of the market in October, but this dropped by 1.09 percentage points in November, and it now stands on 10.59 percent.

    Windows 7, the undisputed king of operating systems, went from 55.71 percent to 56.11 percent, a gain of 0.4 percentage points. Windows 8 increased share, going from 2.54 percent to 2.88 percent, while Windows 8.1 went from 10.68 percent to 11.15 percent. Combined, Windows 8.x increased its share by 0.81 percentage points and now sits on 14.03 percent.

    In November, Windows 10 took 9 percent of the market, which isn't bad considering the OS has only been out for a matter of months, but there's a clear slowing of growth for Microsoft to be concerned about. In September, the new OS grew by 1.42 percentage points, in October it grew by 1.31 and in November Windows 10 increased its share by 1.06 percentage points.

    At the rate it's going it will be quite some time until it catches up with Windows 7.

    What's so great about this growth? MS shoves it down the throat of almost every Windows user almost by force. Of course it grew faster than W8. But given the hyper-agressive update-policy, the declining growth is nothing to write home about.

    Who would have thought you would need tools like these on Windows:

     

    That something like this is needed is CRAZY.

     

    If it would do great, they wouldn't need always more agressive schemes to push it.

  • Hate to be proven right, yet again..

    W10 is so great that MS resorts to:

    http://betanews.com/2015/12/07/microsoft-continues-to-force-windows-10-on-people-who-dont-want-it/

    Josh Mayfield, the author of GWX Control Panel, discovered users who specified that they did not want Windows 10 (via his program's AllowOSUpgrade switch) have had their preferences reset up to several times a day and the update presented to them again.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3012278/microsoft-windows/microsoft-sets-stage-for-massive-windows-10-upgrade-strategy.html

    "Over Thanksgiving weekend I started getting reports that the Windows Update 'AllowOSUpgrade' setting was getting flipped back on on a number of peoples' PCs, and it keeps re-setting itself at least once a day if they switch it back off," said Josh Mayfield, the software engineer who created GWX Control Panel. The tool was originally designed to make the "Get Windows 10" (hence GWX) applet go away after Microsoft installed it on consumer and small business Windows 7 and 8.1 PCs starting in March, then activated in June.

    "This is new behavior, and it does leave your PC vulnerable to unwanted Windows 10 upgrade behavior," he said.

    Concurrent with the release of GWX Control Panel 1.6, Mayfield began hearing from users that their PCs were being switched from a "do-not-upgrade-to-Windows-10" status to a "do-upgrade" state, often multiple times daily.

    In an interview Friday, Mayfield said that the Windows 10 upgrade setting switcheroo on Windows 7 and 8.1 PCs was apparently due to continued updates that Microsoft has shoved onto the older devices. The Redmond, Wash. company has repeatedly re-served its original GWX app to PCs, often with undocumented changes, even if the machine already had the app, or even if the user had managed to uninstall it previously.

    Also in play, said Mayfield, were updates to the Windows Update client on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 PCs that Microsoft has also pushed to customers: Windows Update was refreshed last week for both Windows 7 and Windows 8.1.

    There's more to those updates than that, Mayfield argued. "They're telling [the PC's] Windows Update client that this computer can be upgraded to Windows 10," Mayfield said. "[The Windows Update client] is constantly checking settings several times an hour. It's fully aware of the Windows 10 upgrade."

    Truly the sign of a product the company is sure will win the hearts and minds...

    By the way:

    http://betanews.com/2015/12/01/windows-10s-growth-continues-to-slow-as-windows-7-and-8-x-gain-share/