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  • Modern Skype is dead.

    , Bass wrote


    wastingtimewithforums, package management is a legit reason on why Linux is better. One of my biggest pet peeves about Windows is how many apps essentially roll their own package management, and you have multiple "software updaters" running and bothering you. It's f*cking annoying. Apple and Adobe are especially bad, but it's not the point. It's not the right way of doing software lifecycle management. It's completely idiotic actually.

    I am not against package management. I am saying that all this stuff tuxers threw around back in the day didn't matter a thing when it came to displace Windows.

    Entrenchment of win32, familiarity with Windows and the huge investments into the ecosystem was the barrier that the freetards weren't able to tear down with their gimmicks (and package-managers are gimmicks in the grand scheme of things compared to the things Windows had)

    Metrotards are doing the same mistakes the Linuxers did. WinRT and "metro" are gnome and yast.

    No one important is going to ditch Windows (win32, w95-like GUI etc.) for this, because the cost is just too high doing it. And the fart-app addicted will stay on their smart phones or will just continue to use the web offerings of Angry Birds.

    It's funny that Microsoft itself became the carbon-copy of the tards of the past though. It's not the new APIs that are the hillarious thing (MS has a bazillion of them anyway) but Microsoft's repeated declarations that everything until metro/modern/winrt/ua/uwp/wtf is legacy and dead and what not is the funniest thing I've seen in IT for ages. It beats Stallman's foot fetish by a wide margin.

    , Bass wrote


    Quite frankly with all the bitching about Windows and threads and other crap that pollutes C9, I'm sure you still run Windows. You are almost religiously anti-Linux.

    I am religiously anti-tard.

    Maybe Linux would have been successful at displacing Windows if the community weren't so batshit insane back in the day.

    The "Linux-community" (not neccessarily open source as a whole) was almost a hate-movement at certain times and full of loons. Google and others were able to tame them finally though and productive things started to happen (Android).

    But anyway, that's ancient history now. Metrotards are far more insane today than the freetards - some of the guys on Neowin during the W8-buzz could have filled up the legendary "COLA" Linux newsgroup with ease with their loon.

  • Modern Skype is dead.

    , TexasToast wrote


    Rewriting and retargeting applications is how a lot of us make more money.   I am amazed on how many software developers talk about open source and Linux but never talk about how you do some work, package it and make money.  Many on here just like to be a laborer and have the man pay you for work and you are basically a slave your entire career barely making real money.  You are probably the religious type talking about frameworks, languages, etc.  Think about games, game consoles, automobiles, houses, etc.  If we were happy with the old stuff and never bought anything new the economy would stagnate.  In summary,  UA/UWP offers software vendors a new way to sell the same old stuff.  Join in and maybe you can buy that Tesla. 

    The problem is that Microsoft creates something that has no appeal whatsoever. W8 failed, and while W10 might be more successful I doubt very much the whole universal approach will catch on.

    Having one GUI on the phone, desktop, fridge and console is no benefit at all. Actually it's weird - like finding a control stick in a car. People actually expect different interfaces for different use-cases.  That's natural. And one-size-fits-all approaches will never be as good as optimized UIs for each device. Same with the "one app for all screen sizes and input methods" - the automagic results will be haphazard at best and you still need to program the application for each device basically to get good results.

    The market has no demand for this at all. It's only important for Microsoft to boost their standing in the mobile space, but they are faced with a catch-22 here: Low marketshare in mobile leads to a barren appstore, the barren appstore inhibits Windows Phone, PC users don't need metro at all, so they don't visit the store as well, this in turn enrages Microsoft and they put more and more useless "metro" into Windows to force the store which enrages the Windows customers in turn.

  • Modern Skype is dead.

    About "universality" - there is none. Not even Microsoft themselves can create applications worth a damn with this approach. Take the calculator or the PDF reader in W10 with their huge buttons and out-of-place appearance, and those are simple apps. Microsoft offers nothing to automagically transform phone applications into desktop ones. You have maybe one binary, but that's all. You still do two applications because the screen size and capabilities are so different. And given the marketshare of Microsoft's mobile plattforms, most devs won't bother with this.

    , bondsbw wrote


    Installation is now universal, simple, quick, and doesn't leave junk on your system when you uninstall.  Updates are unintrusive and work the same for all apps.  The registry is no longer bloated with stuff that makes your system start up slower.  Resources are better managed by the OS, based on the capabilities and typical usage of your device.  Applications have a universal communications model.

    Dang, where have I heard this before.. oh right!


    Linux has no Registry When Microsoft introduced the Registry in Windows 95, it was applauded as being a mechanism that brought order to the chaos of the Windows 3.X "ini" files. At the time, we had no idea that the Registry would be such a handicap and get in the way of effectively managing networks of Windows machines. The Registry makes managing a Windows machine complex and difficult and is known to be responsible for some reliability problems. In retrospect, the "ini" files were not so bad now that we've tasted the Registry. Linux is managed by simple, plain text, easy to troubleshoot, configuration files.

    Windows has a pretty convenient tool called "Windows update", which allows you to update your system with the latest updates available.

    But what about all your non-Microsoft software? Adobe applications? ZIP compresser? Burning program? Non-Microsoft web browsers and email clients, etc.? You need to update all of them, one by one. And that takes time, since each one of them has its own (auto-)updating system.

    Linux has a central place called the "Package manager", which takes care of everything installed on your system, but also every single piece of software your computer has. So if you want to keep everything up-to-date, the only thing you need to do is press the "Install Updates" button

    If you want to check out a new piece of software in Windows, you'll need to:
    1.Search the web to find which piece of software suits your needs.
    2.Find a web site that allows you to download it.
    3.Maybe pay for it.
    4.Actually download the software.
    5.Install it.
    6.Sometimes reboot your computer.

    Whew, that's a lot of work to just try out something new!

    With Linux, everything is much simpler. Linux has what is called a "package manager": each piece of software is contained in its own "package". If you need some new software, just open the package manager, type a few keywords, choose which software you want to install and press "Apply" or "OK". Or you can just browse existing software (that's a lot of choice!) in categories.

    So one: no more surfing. Two: no more downloading and installing software yourself. Three: more time to actually try out the software.

    And the end-result is:


    Been there done that. I would have never thought fans of a new Windows version would be copy & pasting old freetard material to push it. Strange times indeed. Especially in the age of SSDs and far more efficient managing of the registry on W7 compared to XP.

    All the things about the package managers (app store) and stuff - doesn't matter. Win32 is too entrenched and the applications too mature and the ecosystem too invested into them to make a difference. Metro offers too few advantages to make this transition happen. What could happen is that the store gets more trajection if w32 applications are allowed there, that's all. This won't help "metro" though.

    If someone starts to babble about registry-bloat to sell a product the warning signs start to flash.

    It didn't work for Desktop Linux, it won't happen for Metro Windows.

    This plan was already doomed to failure with W8, and W10 with UA/UWP offers nothing to correct it. One GUI on all devices, no matter the screen size and capabilities, and expecting everyone to rewrite robust and stable applications with countless of dollars invested into them for so little in return (well, except the usual Linux-soundbites) is just a stupid premise in the first place.

    Very un-(classic)Microsoft actually.

  • Modern Skype is dead.

    , bondsbw wrote

    @kettch:  Yeah, you got it.

    I'm just concerned that all these recent moves to deprecate fairly recent platforms will make people decide that it's impossible to keep up with Microsoft's evolving strategy.  

    Does anyone care in the first place?

    Win32/.NET is more powerful than modern/metro/UA/UWP or what is it called today and runs on all Windows versions.

    What's the business case to rewrite your stuff to "metro"? Just the store - but the store doesn't really matter.

    If you're selling games, you have Steam and Gog, far more entrenched players and you don't need to rewrite anything. If you're selling custom software, the store is a hindrance with its sideloading issues. If you're an big player you have your established channels already.

    "Metro" (modern//UA/UWP etc.) doesn't offer a compelling case for developers to entice them to REWRITE all their software. That's just an insane proposition. Even if the API would have been near-perfect and God's gift to programmers it would have been difficult to make devs abandon their win32 programs they invested so much time and money into, yet win32/.NET does everything metro does, and often times better (except the store). That's a far cry from the DOS->Windows transition and basically the complete opposite of it.

    Also, as I have written already here,  you just don't need "apps" on a PC, period. If you look at the apps on Android and iPhone, there are mostly three categories of apps: Website-gateways, mobile-only gimmicks and games.

    Mobile-only gimmicks is stuff like barcode scanners, flashlights, augmented reality.. some of these don't even work on tablets that well, on a desktop or laptop they are completely useless.

    Website-gateways: The full site on a full-featured browser on a large screen usually works better than these web-slices they put onto smartphones. There were born out of a neccessity due the screen size, not because they are that great.

    So, on a PC you just need a browser for the mundane tasks smartphones need apps for (online-banking, buying tickets, light word processing), and for the heavy-duty tasks you have the vast library of powerful Windows applications, which are too entrenched to win32.

    Microsoft should have done what Apple has done on the Mac: An app store on Windows without a new API. This could have been successful. But Microsoft's primary goal is not to make an app-store for PCs and laptops, but to entice mobile developers to develop for their mobile products. And for this they needed metro, yet metro is useless on the PC and thus the app store will never reach critical mass until Windows Phone reaches critical mass...

    Catch 22.

  • Apparently, WMC is no longer part of Win10

    MS killing off Media Center is pretty stupid in the age of Amazon Fire TV, Apple TV, ChromeCast, KODI, the dozens of smaller TV appliance vendors etc.

    It's frigging obvious there is a market. WMC had plugins for these streaming services for years and MS wasted it all. Windows runs on ARM since a while now (Windows RT), I don't get why they never produced an inexpensive Windows Media Center ARM based device by now. They had a lot of time.

    The xbone is far too costly (tenfold!) and unhandy compared to the solutions of Amazon, Google and Apple. A * joke if they think they will win the mass market in that field with that overpriced and oversized box.

    Yet again a fabulous decision by Microsoft.

  • These Windows 10 ​adware/prel​oader patches are packaged with important security updates. JUST WTF?!

    Oh, Backup is back again? Finally some good news.

    Funny that it's still called W7 Backup.

  • These Windows 10 ​adware/prel​oader patches are packaged with important security updates. JUST WTF?!

    , NoelCarboni wrote


    For those who didn't have the good sense to hide KB3035583, we now have Adware on the Taskbar in the system tray:



    +1 (or rather -1) for MS for not offering a "don't pester me" option right in the icon itself, unlike most notifications.

    But still, this is far too tame for post 2012-MS. I think the fun starts when W10 hits RTM. I don't think MetroMS is content with just displaying an icon in the bar.

    I would be surprised if that would just be it.

  • Windows 8 is finally paying off for Microsoft!

    , Bass wrote

    If you are wondering why King is so adment of promoting this free game (even spamming commericials on TV, etc.), King designed Candy Crush Saga with significant help from psychologists to short circuit people's inherent reward response. Basically, Candy Crush is a PHYOPS tool designed for the explict purpose of fleeing people vulnernable to a certain kind of suggestion. Some freeminum games have resulted in people spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars (and in some cases, tens of thousands) on these so called "microtransactions".

    And people thought waiting for the long Tetris block was torture.

  • Windows 8 is finally paying off for Microsoft!

    , Jim Young wrote



    King already has games in the Windows Phone store. They were on stage at \\Build touting the cross platform capabilities of VS 2015. No surprises here.

    I suppose you delete Solitaire from your Windows system too. 

    Those were not mine words.

    Neowin is the biggest pro post-2012 Microsoft site there is. They believed into the smash-success of W8 longer than Sinofsky himself did.

    If they chose this wording..

    Further with Neowin:

    For King, the benefit is obvious but consumers get put in the middle with a game they may not want on their machine. While it can surely be removed, it's still a "freemium" game that will now come with every Windows 10 install during the launch period.

    What Microsoft does not clarify is what "the launch" means. We suspect this app install bundleware will only last for a limited time but the company is not saying when the deal will expire.

    Microsoft is offering upgrades to Windows 10 for free and we hope this is not a trend of how the company intends to generate revenue with the OS.

  • Stop the madness!

    , blackcell06 wrote

    @wastingtimewithforums: After reading your posts on this forum I have to say you have to be the most unhappy\negative person on earth. 

    May I ask why you do not use strictly use Unix? Or get out of the technology field all together? Seems as the changes Microsoft are making are causing you a great deal of pain.

    Yes, Microsoft was quite successful dealing the pain out. Unfortunately I am not the only recipient.

    Here's a great article on how important business customers are increasingly p***ed off by Microsoft's "cloud first, mobile first", metro and licensing policies. Unfortunately it's only in German but the translator does a good enough job.

    It's a must read, even in its auto-translated form.

    Part 1

    Part 2

    part 3

    The sentiments described there are rampant in the wild. They really are. Almost no one is excited about a new version of something. The prevalent thoughts are not "Universal Apps! Horraay!" but what is degraded this time, how long it takes to reach pre-Windows 8/Office 2013 levels and what's going to be killed off in favour of a rental.