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  • More "accidental" upgrades in the works

    I find it eerie how especially Microsoft was able to mold the summer of worms (blaster, sasser) and their various security problems to their own advantage.

    "You have to accept every forced major version and every privacy intrusion now, or else we cut you off from the security patches and then THE EVIL HACKERS. THE HACKERS WILL COME"

    So much leverage depends on this fear.

    Who knew that the worm authors, script kiddies and hackers "fighting the system" helped to establish the very system at the end.

  • More "accidental" upgrades in the works

    I'm not sure how you got that number, StatCounter doesn't show Windows 10 that low since August

    I've set it to monthly instead of daily.


    I see no sudden increase.

    I've played with statcounter a bit and the October 10th-20th time frame (when the "accident" was active) seems to have a higher W10-increase than the one ten days later (20th-30th)

    0.55 vs 0.27 percentage difference.

  • New Windows 10 wallpaper released

  • More "accidental" upgrades in the works

    Wasn't the growth considerable slowed down in October:


    If there was an uptick very recently again, it was very likely due the "accidental" forced upgrade two weeks ago. Something they obviously want to repeat.

    According to statcounter W10 is currently at 6.64%.. I am absolutely not impressed, given the fact that users need actually to put actively effort to.. NOT install it and avoid all the nag-screens and notifications.

    Given all the throat-shoving, I expected at the very least 10% by now.

  • More "accidental" upgrades in the works

    , spivonious wrote

    Ick, even I have to admit that this is a mistake. Perhaps W10 upgrades are slowing down and they're trying to pad their user numbers?

    They did.



  • More "accidental" upgrades in the works


    We will soon be publishing Windows 10 as an "Optional Update" in Windows Update for all Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers. Windows Update is the trusted, logical location for our most important updates, and adding Windows 10 here is another way we will make it easy for you to find your upgrade.

    Early next year, we expect to be re-categorizing Windows 10 as a "Recommended Update". Depending upon your Windows Update settings, this may cause the upgrade process to automatically initiate on your device. Before the upgrade changes the OS of your device, you will be clearly prompted to choose whether or not to continue. And of course, if you choose to upgrade (our recommendation!), then you will have 31 days to roll back to your previous Windows version if you don't love it.

    Yay. I am pretty sure those prompts will have some some "bugs" from time to time which will cause the abort-button to magically disappear. (a)

    By the way, just noticed some mod deleted my thread about the forced W10 upgrade from two weeks ago, even though the thread vanished from the limelight anyway. Cute.

  • I just don't get Windows 10 as a product - is it a Windows distro? Occupational therapy?

    , elmer wrote


    I believe that MS sees SMB and Consumer as one-in-the-same - PRO version is apparently no longer respected as "Business" but as simply a preference in options.

    I agree.

    They generate huge of discontent with this crap though. Apple provides more far more stability (not in the crash-sense)  with their MacOS line then Windows 10 does. This won't go unnoticed.

    , ScottWelker wrote

    @wastingtimewithforums: I know many will flame you but, to your defense, I am beginning to see stalwart MS development shops accept MACs - mainly for Web UX specialists... the proverbial camel's nose under the tent.

    I notice that too, in other areas (typical former Windows-only specialist business-software being offered for Mac)

    If Apple decides one day to lower prices MS and go actively fishing for the former Windows-bastions, MS will have a huge problem. And then they will be truly the IBM they fear so much being, with SMB and consumer market gone, and only being left with the huge-enterprise customers.

    It's only a matter of time IMHO until competitors see the huge opportunity that MS opened up with all their crazy of late. NuMicrosoft was hard at work killing all traditional strengths of the platform (without gaining anything in return), the only saving grace CrazyMS has at the moment is the literal laziness of their competitors. This could change any moment, especially when the consumer smartphone market continues its decline.

  • I just don't get Windows 10 as a product - is it a Windows distro? Occupational therapy?

    , evildictait​or wrote

    Windows Update now works like every other major product in existence

    Tell me about it. I can't remember when a Mac greeted me with a new version of the OS without any confirmation or warning prior.

    Also, with the exception of Chrome, just about every browser let's you disable updates completely in the official settings.

    , evildictait​or wrote


    I get that you probably don't like this change. But Windows was the outlier here. Microsoft is just making Windows' distribution look like the distribution of every other single piece of software that you use

    LOL, no. Unless you're on a Linux distro.

    I don't see all that fast path, slow path, stable path, LTSB path, forced update ring stuff, on Mac OS, Cubase, Adobe Suit, Eclipse etc.

    It's not the security updates or the existance of preview-builds for enthusiasts (nice strawman), it's the the prospect of forced new builds and thus breaking changes or GUI-reshuffling at any moment without the choice to decline. Contrary to your opinion, that isn't common-place.

  • I just don't get Windows 10 as a product - is it a Windows distro? Occupational therapy?

    , ScottWelker wrote

    Re: "...don't understand W10 as a product...", I believe MS has essentially written off the business user in favor of the retail customer.

    Well, the thing is, I have yet to meet someone who is excited by the prospect of a new forced "build" every three months which cripples your computer unusuable for an hour and changes GUI elements around just because they felt in the mood to do it yet again.

    I just can't see the target audience for this. Even mobile OSes have a more-careful update-rate than Windows 10 (and you usually don't have a write a document, hold a presentation, do your homework or print out your thesis on Android!)

    Oh, wait there is one target audience: Script-kiddies who like to tinker with the OS just for fun but do nothing productive. Some of them can be found on places like Neowin and Ubuntuforums.

    Every driver-problem and service-pack is a joy, because this gives them the excuse to re-install the OS yet again. Windows 10 is tailor-made for this one group. They are pretty much the only ones who get excited at the thought of forced updates, fast-rings, slow-rings, preview-builds, insider-programs, update-branches and all the other W10-related ADHD drug-substitutes.

  • I just don't get Windows 10 as a product - is it a Windows distro? Occupational therapy?

    , magicalclick wrote

    Cam you tell me what's new and sexy from the GUI change? Thank you.

    For example:


    • Finally the context menus are smaller again (No huge blank gap between context menu items)
    • Dark colored titlebars with full color intensity and same accent color (in final RTM build 10240, titlebars are White and we need to use tweaks to get colored titlebars)


    Microsoft now uses Windows 10's Start menu to display ads


    Microsoft reaffirms plans to retire the Control Panel in future Windows 10 builds

    Constantly changing crap. And not always for the better to boot. It's annoying, distracting and potentially crippling. For example: I have an auto-it script installed on several computers which depends on the control-panel to work, if they would yank it out without announcement someday that would be a major PITA. I am certainly not the only one with such set-ups.

    With major versions you can at least plan and test for incompatility, but with this always-changing how-we-feel-like-it crap? No everyone has the time and passion to keep up with monthy freetard-like preview-builds, fast-rings and all their other W10-nonsense just to stay in the loop to catch potential trouble before they roll it out to everyone. Maybe the LTSB is better in this regard, but for smaller clients volume-licensing is too expensive, and even the LTSB is far more update-happy and forced than any Windows version before.

    MS has lost the plot.