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  • Microsoft website on Open Source

    Chinmay007 wrote:
    
    wkempf wrote:
    The issues people have with Firefox, such as the memory leaks that plague them, are directly attributable to the poor quality of the code base.  IE, on the other hand, behaves rock solid, even if it's not compliant with the standards.  So, while I have never seen the IE code base, I can certainly make some assumptions.
    You can have spaghetti code that complies and runs cleanly. I don't think it's that safe to make assumptions about Internet Explorer's codebase without actually looking at it.


    Certainly you can.  However:

    1.  I didn't say the code base for FF was "spaghetti code".  There's a bit of that, but that's not what's wrong with the code base.

    2.  IE doesn't comply.

    3.  It's never "safe" to make assumptions.

    Yeah, some of those points make me sound schitso Wink.

    I'm not really making assumptions about IE's code base.  I'm making assumptions about the viability of the two browsers going forward.  IE has a track record of solid performance (ignoring it's definate issues with standard compliance) and improvements.  Firefox, IMO, doesn't have this track record.  So the only thing I can judge the future on FF on is the code base, which is definately not something in its favor.

    I'm glad for the competition that's gotten IE to start to move again.  I wish there were even better competition.  In many ways, Opera is probably better competition, but it's never gained the popularity of FF and therefore has never really been the competition needed.  Besides, I really don't like Opera's UI and suspect that's at least part of what's hindered its acceptance. Sad

    Right now, my hopes rest in IE 8, though I've not gotten the vibes I'd like from MS that IE 8 will address standards properly.

  • Microsoft website on Open Source

    The issues people have with Firefox, such as the memory leaks that plague them, are directly attributable to the poor quality of the code base.  IE, on the other hand, behaves rock solid, even if it's not compliant with the standards.  So, while I have never seen the IE code base, I can certainly make some assumptions.

  • Visual Studio 2008 RTM before november 5th

    I'm not sure they are related bugs.  For me, it's the contents of the designer (i.e. the windows and controls I'm designing, as well as the new "zoom widget"), not the designer itself that fails to refresh.  It also is not tied to debugging my application.  It happens most often when I build my project and the designer has to reload because referenced assemblies have changed.  Though it happens randomly at other times as well.

  • Microsoft website on Open Source

    W3bbo wrote:
    
    wkempf wrote:
    Oh, and it could be argued that the competition was "crushed" by their own failings.  They spent a huge amount of time, effort and money in trying to take Microsoft down in the courts, and left their product to stagnate in the mean time.  At the start of the legal wars, Netscape still held a large part of the market, and I believe could have stayed there if they'd concentrated on their product.  But the quality of Netscape's offerings was going down with every release, and the public saw this and reacted accordingly.


    Actually, Netscape spent a lot of time developing their pet-project: JSSS (JavaScript Stylesheets), since the W3C didn't like it and gave the alternative: CSS, the go-ahead, the Netscape guys had to implement CSS at the last minute, making Netscape 4 poor in comparison to it's rival: IE4.

    Thanks to that little indescision, Netscape open-sourced their new (at the time) layout engine as Gecko / NGLayout which lead to the Mozilla project and eventually Firefox.


    Mozilla is actually what killed them.  The Mozilla products were pure trash.  Firefox was the first usable browser.  But I don't think it's likely to remain popular either.  The underlying code base is just not of high enough quality, IMHO.

  • Microsoft website on Open Source

    Chinmay007 wrote:
    
    W3bbo wrote:
    
    wkempf wrote:
    Oh, and it could be argued that the competition was "crushed" by their own failings.  They spent a huge amount of time, effort and money in trying to take Microsoft down in the courts, and left their product to stagnate in the mean time.  At the start of the legal wars, Netscape still held a large part of the market, and I believe could have stayed there if they'd concentrated on their product.  But the quality of Netscape's offerings was going down with every release, and the public saw this and reacted accordingly.


    Actually, Netscape spent a lot of time developing their pet-project: JSSS (JavaScript Stylesheets), since the W3C didn't like it and gave the alternative: CSS, the go-ahead, the Netscape guys had to implement CSS at the last minute, making Netscape 4 poor in comparison to it's rival: IE4.

    Thanks to that little indescision, Netscape open-sourced their new (at the time) layout engine as Gecko / NGLayout which lead to the Mozilla project and eventually Firefox.


    Come on, the fact that IE was bundled with Windows had something to do with it too. I remember in Windows 95 if you upgraded to IE4 it would also literarly improve the UI of the whole OS. It wasn't just a web browser, it was a operating system upgrade. (The way I saw it at the time.)


    That's an argument as to why the browser should be bundled, actually.  But in general, I don't believe this gave anyone an unfair competitive advantage.  At least half of the people I knew still ran Netscape at this point in time, despite the bundling.

  • Visual Studio 2008 RTM before november 5th

    Klaus Enevoldsen wrote:
    Microsoft will be giving away copies of Visual Studio 2008 RTM on DevConnections in Las Vegas which starts on november 5th.

    I read somewhere that many of the teams are already at zero bugs bounce and that they are arming the war room and the ship room soon. Cool. I wonder if there will be any releases before RC?

    A September 2007 CTP would be great!


    I'd love another release as well.  B2 has been pretty great, but there's a few remaining bugs that are annoying me to no end.  Specifically, I often end up with a designer that doesn't paint correctly.  Makes it pretty difficult to use.

  • Microsoft website on Open Source

    Custa1200 wrote:
    
    wkempf wrote:
    A large part of the HTML/XHTML standards came from Microsoft.
    And failed miserably to implement a lot of it before letting it sit on the floor like a fish out of water floundering about, oh and this is just after they crushed all the competition by what will go down in history as one of the biggest monopolistic disasters. Kudos to them for trying to get back in line with reality though, but there is still some ways to go. BTW shouldn't there have been a new IE out by now according to Bill's new browser refresh each year statement?


    No, that's just ignorance.  The parts that IE fails to implement were never submitted by MS.  Further, at the time IE was more compliant to the standard then any other.  The issue was that newer versions of IE were few and only changed the UI features and not the document processing, which lead to the terribly uncompliant state of the modern IE.

    I'm not about to cut MS any slack on the poor standards conformance of IE.  However, I'm also going to recognize the contributions they made to the standard and to the fact that in the beginning they worked hard to be compliant.

    Oh, and it could be argued that the competition was "crushed" by their own failings.  They spent a huge amount of time, effort and money in trying to take Microsoft down in the courts, and left their product to stagnate in the mean time.  At the start of the legal wars, Netscape still held a large part of the market, and I believe could have stayed there if they'd concentrated on their product.  But the quality of Netscape's offerings was going down with every release, and the public saw this and reacted accordingly.

  • Microsoft website on Open Source

    Why doen't the Office format count?  And what about C# and the CLR?  They've also contributed to most ISO standards.  A large part of the HTML/XHTML standards came from Microsoft.

  • Oh no, not again...

    1.  This is old news.  Didn't check to see if it was posted here or not, but both /. and digg talked this one to death.

    2.  Technically, this isn't a root kit.

    3.  It still wasn't a smart move.

  • upgrade to office 2007?

    Lloyd_Humph wrote:
    Nosey: What the hell is a hedge fund?


    I never understand people who ask questions that literally take 5 seconds to lookup via Google in an online forum where it is likely to take 5 hours to get a reply. Smiley

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_fund