Dev Diary for April 15th

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Just a quick, and poorly filmed, update from the dev team on what we worked on during the last sprint and what we are building right now. Yes the filming is shoddy, and yes the screens are hard to read... we'll get better, but we didn't want to spend a lot of time redoing this one when we know you'd rather we keep focused on developing the dev site Smiley

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    • User profile image
      jamie
      because live id = hotmail = track my opinions.. no thanks
    • User profile image
      Duncanma
      ZippyV wrote:
      What's with the stupid logo in the bottom right corner?


      Just me playing around, C9 videos don't have a 'bug' like we use on 10, Edge, 8, Mix ... or an intro or anything ... and I wanted to see what it would look like if I put one on

      I'm guessing you don't like it Smiley
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      Lloyd_Humph
      I like your shirt Sampy Tongue Out (XKCD ftw)

      Good video. Keep 'em coming Smiley

      When is the next beta release? I want to play Big Smile

      I like the idea of a new C9.. but maybe we could have 2 modes. An axajy C9v3 on a v4 codebase, and a new one.. best of both worlds!

      //oh, and Zippy.. I think it looks good. And your reply was a little harsh.. seriously, you could've reworded it to something less insulting towards the team.
    • User profile image
      DCMonkey

      I like the Dev Diary idea. Keep em coming.

      I also like the c9 "bug".

      My issue with requiring LiveID isn't privacy or tinfoil hattery, but that I find it a PITA on a number of other sites that use it, primarily because it doesn't remember my password when I tell it to. I want to log into c9 and stay logged in on the two PCs I use to post here.

       

    • User profile image
      jamie

      this is a great feature to view. good work. keep making them.

       

      the second live ID becomes mandatory - im gone

       

      good work though! [y]

    • User profile image
      ZippyV
      What's with the stupid logo in the bottom right corner?
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      Sven Groot
      Good video. Nice to see where things are going. I'm just going to give my opinion that you shouldn't change the design too much from the current C9 (not the current beta, the current released C9v3). I like the current design.

      jamie wrote:
      the second live ID becomes mandatory - im gone

      Any reason for that other than your usual "change is bad"? Tongue Out
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      Sven Groot
      jamie wrote:
      because live id = hotmail = track my opinions.. no thanks

      "track your opinions"?

      I'm not even sure I understand what you mean by that (I think you're implying some kind of breach of privacy), but got any proof of that?

      I have a live ID, which is NOT associated to a hotmail address, and I don't see how they're using it to "track my opinions".
    • User profile image
      bitdisaster
      jamie wrote:
      because live id = hotmail = track my opinions.. no thanks


      LiveId doesn't require hotmail since years.
    • User profile image
      LaBomba
      Jamie sometimes you are too quick to pass judgement *cough* vista *cough*...

      like the others mentioned Live ID does not equal access to your hotmail account.
    • User profile image
      Sampy
      Just to echo and confirm what others have said, you can get a LiveID with any email address now.
    • User profile image
      jsampsonPC
      Duncanma wrote:
      
      ZippyV wrote:
      What's with the stupid logo in the bottom right corner?


      Just me playing around, C9 videos don't have a 'bug' like we use on 10, Edge, 8, Mix ... or an intro or anything ... and I wanted to see what it would look like if I put one on

      I'm guessing you don't like it


      Make him look INTO the video, and not out of it, for starters. And maybe write "Channel9" to the left of him in white with a little bit of a dropshadow directly beneath the text, x = 1px, y = 1px - will probably look much better.
    • User profile image
      Bas
      Hang on a sec. Water Cooler? Is the Water Cooler the decaf version of the Coffee House?

      Also, Lego Star Destroyer. [Y]
    • User profile image
      Human​Compiler
      Bas wrote:
      Hang on a sec. Water Cooler? Is the Water Cooler the decaf version of the Coffee House?


      Water Cooler == test data.  There's also a "Forum 2".  We're very original (like my other test data in the video).
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      JChung2006
      I would rather see C9V4 live, not videos about making it.
    • User profile image
      Bas
      JChung2006 wrote:
      I would rather see C9V4 live, not videos about making it.


      Way to encourage morale.


      Anyway, I wonder what kind of things you guys are thinking of that possibly maybe sometime could happen for Live ID accounts. If it has anything to do with messenger contacts, scratch that idea until the Live ID team figures out a way to change the Live ID for your messenger account. Tongue Out

      I'm curious to see what you guys will have done with the Wiki, by the way. I think that's a sadly underused feature of the site right now.
    • User profile image
      Human​Compiler
      Bas wrote:
      I'm curious to see what you guys will have done with the Wiki, by the way. I think that's a sadly underused feature of the site right now.


      We used CodePlex's wiki code so it will be a lot more reliable than what's on C9 today.  Our UI follows the same patterns as the rest of the site (AJAX paging through versions, AJAX editing, etc).  Sampy could tell you more about linking to pages and all that jazz.  FYI, the wiki feature is done.
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      Koogle
      "down the road we will figure out how to do.. quoting" Perplexed

      seriously it shouldn't be that hard

      I can't believe you still haven't even got a bare minimum Quote button that just about any other decent forum setup has implemented that drops in the
      tags to allow the user to copy paste text and reply underneath each one

      and only being able to reply to one person..  stupid really.. at least vbulletin does it right.. and gives you full topic review underneath the reply box.. so you don't have to open up the topic in another tab
    • User profile image
      Bas
      Koogle wrote:
      I can't believe you still haven't even got a bare minimum Quote button that just about any other decent forum setup has implemented that drops in the [quote][ /quote]  tags to allow the user to copy paste text and reply underneath each one


      Wait... then what have I been using to quote people all these years?
    • User profile image
      Koogle
      Bas wrote:
      
      Koogle wrote:
      I can't believe you still haven't even got a bare minimum Quote button that just about any other decent forum setup has implemented that drops in the [quote][ /quote]  tags to allow the user to copy paste text and reply underneath each one


      Wait... then what have I been using to quote people all these years?


      a single button next to the one person you quoting.. yeh great.. now I want to quote someone else and reply to that.. should I now post this and go make another post within this thread..  no because that would be retarded when I could just make all my replies to others posts within one reply..  instead I'd have to now manualy write out the tags including "[quote user="user"]" etc .. if you still dont 'get it' on what I'm getting at then I'm wasting my time replying to you.
    • User profile image
      Sampy

      When you open the reply editor, it doesn't take you to a new page and it doesn't disable the EntryList above. You can page through the entire thread with out having to leave the page. Sure you can only target your reply at a single post but you can see all of them.

      I think a wiki demo may be in order for this week's video.

    • User profile image
      Bas
      Koogle wrote:
      if you still dont 'get it' on what I'm getting at then I'm wasting my time replying to you.


      Nice talking to you too! Smiley
    • User profile image
      grassBlade
      Hi,

      Enjoyed the vid, though I had some problems reading the screen. 

      Sampy wrote:
      

      When you open the reply editor, it doesn't take you to a new page ... you can see all of them.



      I presume you are talking about the new, improved version, right? 

      And the newer version will allow for 'treed' replies?  And selected text quoting?

    • User profile image
      staceyw
      Thanks.

      Is there a way to change your existing live id to a different live id - if you prefer another and keep your same c9 profile and history?

      TIA
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      Human​Compiler
      staceyw wrote:
      Thanks.

      Is there a way to change your existing live id to a different live id - if you prefer another and keep your same c9 profile and history?

      TIA


      Not at the moment.  We know we'll have to implement that at some point though.
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      Sampy
      staceyw wrote:
      Thanks.

      Is there a way to change your existing live id to a different live id - if you prefer another and keep your same c9 profile and history?

      TIA


      When v4 launches, sign in with your forms password and then add the desired Live ID just like I showed in the video.
    • User profile image
      Human​Compiler
      Sampy wrote:
      
      staceyw wrote:
      Thanks.

      Is there a way to change your existing live id to a different live id - if you prefer another and keep your same c9 profile and history?

      TIA


      When v4 launches, sign in with your forms password and then add the desired Live ID just like I showed in the video.


      Sorry, staceyw.  I read your post wrong.  I thought you were just asking about changing your Live ID association (in general).  As Sampy mentions...your scenario is covered.  When you sign in that first time to move over, your old Live ID will be written over by your new one for your C9 account.
    • User profile image
      staceyw
      Sampy wrote:
      
      staceyw wrote:
      Thanks.

      Is there a way to change your existing live id to a different live id - if you prefer another and keep your same c9 profile and history?

      TIA


      When v4 launches, sign in with your forms password and then add the desired Live ID just like I showed in the video.


      Sorry to beat this down, but want to make sure.  I have existing LiveID staceyw@zzz that I use for c9 (not form id).  I want to switch to LiveID william@zzz. So your saying I should be able to do that?  Thanks much in advance.
    • User profile image
      grassBlade
      Sampy wrote:
      

      When v4 launches, sign in with your forms password and then add the desired Live ID just like I showed in the video.


      Yesterday, I did just that and saw the "Profile" option for the first time.

        Since then....nada. 

      Is it possibly because I login automatically when I go to the site through the feeds links?

        In other words, how do I get the "Profile" option back?
    • User profile image
      Duncanma
      staceyw wrote:
       Sorry to beat this down, but want to make sure.  I have existing LiveID taceyw@zzz">staceyw@zzz that I use for c9 (not form id).  I want to switch to LiveID william@zzz. So your saying I should be able to do that?  Thanks much in advance.


      Yes and no... if you have a userid and password on C9 now (in addition to your Live ID) then yes, you could switch. If you don't, then no we don't provide the ability to switch. Having seen this featured asked for and then eventually added to Xbox Live though, I can understand that it is useful to many people.

      We will add it to our list, and I expect we will add it in the future.
    • User profile image
      Sampy
      grassBlade wrote:
      
      Sampy wrote:
      

      When v4 launches, sign in with your forms password and then add the desired Live ID just like I showed in the video.


      Yesterday, I did just that and saw the "Profile" option for the first time.

        Since then....nada. 

      Is it possibly because I login automatically when I go to the site through the feeds links?

        In other words, how do I get the "Profile" option back?


      The code I showed in the video isn't live yet so you can't actually try it Smiley
    • User profile image
      ymasuda_

      OpenID has what Channel 9 concerns in subject of threat controls on Internet security. Identity management is long term efforts which business groups expend for building Internet communication, and OpenID is a model of an authentication application provider.

      Could you mind to surpass Live ID authentication services under Phishing controls with care of customer education for rest of Internet people? Your advancing developers say benefits Microsoft Live Web services consumers, and moreover industrial security training for rest of billions Internet business developers. Microsoft is a consumer of OpenID, and being wise with given subject of Live ID authentication.

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