TWC9 - IE9 Beta, WP7 Tools, and The New Channel 9 with Duncan and Sampy

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[Apologies for the quality of the video] 

On a very special This Week on Channel 9, Dan is joined by Duncan and Sampy to discuss:

  • The IE 9 Beta release (download)
  •  Windows Phone 7 Tools RTM (download)
  • The New Channel 9
  • Performance Numbers comparing the old and new (on average 2.62 seconds less load time) 
  • Code metrics like lines of code and unit tests
  • Suggestions we implemented from ZippyV, Brian Henderson, Adam Kane, Carl Serl,and Spottedmahn2
  • Thank you to niners for filing bugs as we fixed around 30 bugs on the preview site
  • Demo of new features like the way you can filter by language
  • Discussion of our favorite features, like the ability to jump to a specific time so you can hear what I was saying right now

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      the_Crispy

      Is Bryan out of the show? Tongue Out

      Anyway, good show. Realy informativ. But what have you done to the quality Tongue Out

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      CKurt

      OMBG , the quality! the quality! Back to the roots of C9 when you did not have broadband ?

      PS: Belgian is not a language. In Belgium we speak 3 languages French , German and Dutch. (As a belgian I can't help but correct it)

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      Charles

      There was an encoding snafu. All will be well. No need to panic Smiley

      C

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      aL_

      is it just me or are no longer able to click the high/med vmw links to open them im wmp? if i click them i only get a popup saying that i can download it.. well if i wanted to download it, id right clicked Tongue Out

      its just a mild annoyance, but still, an annoyance

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      Charles

      , aL_ wrote

      is it just me or are no longer able to click the high/med vmw links to open them im wmp? if i click them i only get a popup saying that i can download it.. well if i wanted to download it, id right clicked Tongue Out

      its just a mild annoyance, but still, an annoyance

      Create a bug on the Connect site and then let's all vote on it. I also think this is awkward. Votes count!

      C

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      englishbob

      , aL_ wrote

      is it just me or are no longer able to click the high/med vmw links to open them im wmp? if i click them i only get a popup saying that i can download it.. well if i wanted to download it, id right clicked Tongue Out

      its just a mild annoyance, but still, an annoyance

       

      Have you tried right click "open in new tab" in Firefox and Chrome, it will play in WMP in a new tab. If you right click and "open in new tab" in IE9 beta it opens WMP and plays the video. 

      KM

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      PerfectPhase
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      Charles

      , PerfectPhase wrote

      The open in new tab thing works but is still more awarked than it needs to be.

      https://connect.microsoft.com/site1133/feedback/details/601294/right-click-to-download

      http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Feedback/Right-click-to-download

      Thanks for creating the Connect item.

      C

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      N2Cheval

      This episode talks alot about what was done, how hard, how much work, etc., but as the team is closer to the tool makers, so (in theory) able to fix and figure out solutions to problems quicker and easier, (I'm slowly getting to the question) I was wondering
      if a video could be made of hindsight? The angle that I'm coming from is creating for the web can be fiddly and hard and it can be thought that end user developers just need more experience and training, but if you are also finding it hard then where are things
      going wrong? So with that in thought answering such questions as: What would be done differently? What, if any, different decision paths you would have taken? Do you feel that you have solved all the issues to the Channel9_Producers_2004_Introduction_To_Who_We_Are
      "what would be a failure that the center guy raised" questions? Obviously we're watching and care so Charles fear can be rested at least. Smiley

       

       

       

      Just a thought.

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      Duncanma

      @PerfectPhase: we added the pop-up because we got the bug "Download items launch in WMP instead of downloading" Smiley

      I think it is a question of the web savvy of the individual, because we had to add a 'right-click to download' piece of text to the msteched.com site because of user confusion, but we didn't have to do that on the MIX or PDC sites...

      I'll look at just taking the script away and adding a line "right-click to download" to try and handle both types of users.

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      Duncanma

      , N2Cheval wrote

      This episode talks alot about what was done, how hard, how much work, etc., but as the team is closer to the tool makers, so (in theory) able to fix and figure out solutions to problems quicker and easier, (I'm slowly getting to the question) I was wondering
      if a video could be made of hindsight? The angle that I'm coming from is creating for the web can be fiddly and hard and it can be thought that end user developers just need more experience and training, but if you are also finding it hard then where are things
      going wrong? So with that in thought answering such questions as: What would be done differently? What, if any, different decision paths you would have taken? Do you feel that you have solved all the issues to the Channel9_Producers_2004_Introduction_To_Who_We_Are
      "what would be a failure that the center guy raised" questions? Obviously we're watching and care so Charles fear can be rested at least. Smiley

       

       

       

      Just a thought.

      If I'm understanding your question... "why is it hard for us to build for the web when we have the training and resources?" ... well, as Geoff (dev on the C9 team) is fond of saying "it's the web, if you think you are in control then you are wrong" (or something like that... I'm paraphrasing). From my point of view I'd say that the web seems to be a non-deterministic system, things go wrong that are difficult or in some cases impossible to predict. In reality this just means there are factors involved that we are not completely aware of, but there are so many factors (browser differences as an example) that it becomes exteremely difficult to predict what will happen.

      In other cases though, we were doing things that very few people have done before, so we couldn't ask for advice in advance. Yes, we had access to people like Ryan Dunn (from the Cloud Cover show) when we confused by an Azure issue (and many others, like Sampy's brother and even public forums and blogs), but that was *after* we hit an issue. In the end, all development seems to be the same; you come up with a plan based on your understanding of reality and then adjust as you determine what is really going to happen.

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      Raiven

      Aside from the quality as you're all aware, I also get no sound through the streaming player

      Now that I've watched the download ... Hurray D&D Red Box!  I actually already gave Wizards a ton of my cash as well so I don't actually need this but it was cool to see it again.

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      Rogue​Planetoid

      Will there be a new encode of the video - I watch most videos on my TV and, it didn't look good - look forward to a better quality version if there is one!

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