Always Connected PC - January 2018

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    Michael​Samarin

    - is Desktop Bridge will be the main deployment mechanism for 3rd party devs to bring Win32 apps to W10 on ARM;

    - Any technical details about .Net runtime for WPF/WinForms apps running on W10 on ARM? Are there an special optimization on a platform? Any specific APIs to avoid in order to ensure smooth execution?

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    pmsjt

    @MichaelSamarin:

    We are working on releasing the full Win32 SDK for Windows 10 ARM64. You'll be able to target that platform just as you do when you develop for x86-32 or x86-64.

    In the meantime, the best way to target the platform is to develop ARM32 UWPs. These will run great on these devices.

    Back to the Win32, and addressing your WinForms question, these devices currently only include the x86-32 version of Desktop CLR. This means that if your app has tight dependencies to Desktop CLR, you still need to run your app as x86.

    This limitation does not apply to the use of (Core) CLR in UWPs. UWPs that use Core CLR (and that you allow publishing to ARM32) will be translated to ARM32 native code by the store and will run as ARM32 apps in the device.

     

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    Irakli_​Lomidze

    Will Windows for ARM will support Virtualization, Hyper-V, VMWare ?

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    Pete

    Nice wallpaper!

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    Fucktoy1

    - is Desktop Bridge will be the main deployment mechanism for 3rd party devs to bring Win32 apps to W10 on ARM;

    - Any technical details about .Net runtime for WPF/WinForms apps running on W10 on ARM? Are there an special optimization on a platform? Any specific APIs to avoid in order to ensure smooth execution?

    please don't be mad at me 

    I probably won't be able too * entry twice as * you 

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    notadevelop​er

    lol I was programming when I watched this podcast. It gave me ideas to my project and i guess some insights to x86_arm big brother hood

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    sjypharm

    I just hope these devices don't go the same way as Windows phone support has.

    What happened to 'Windows 10 for all devices and formats?' As a Windows Insider my blood pressure rises as my Task for today is sync my Android phone messages to Win 10!!

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    Brent

    Very impressive and enjoyable presentation! Quick question - are there any plans in the future to include emulation of x64 apps?

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    Liero

    What about Java applications, e.g. Eclipse. Will they run natively on ARM, thanks to JIT?

    What about Electron applications, e.g. Visual Studio Code? Will it run natively?

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    pmsjt

    @Liero: it’ll be up to Oracle to port the JRE to ARM64. In the meantime, x86 JRE will work on these devices via emulation.

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    Niner346513

    As of this POST - I have had a Lenovo Miix 630 with Snapdragon. It is great. Uninstalled the store version of 2016 Office and installed x86 2016 Office, x86 of the Instagram app called Grid, x86 voice to text program from Nextup.com - no issues. However, the x86 program for MS Keyboard and mouse fails to install. Question: Where should I post Snapdragon install issues at? The Win 10 feedback is a joke since no one reads, let alone address the posted issues. So where do I go?  Please don't kill this off this version of Windows like you did with Windows Phone.

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    technogeist

    Where is the hardware?

    Why should we put up with a corporate view all the time and forced to use Edge browser?

    what happened to choice?

    If you propose 'always on' you had better offer free and robust security software and a hardened (better than current) firewall.

    Windows RT had office built-in, albeit a neutred version.

    If new devices are delivered without Office, I'll stick with RT for the time being.

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